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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    RFRA applies to more situations than what we are talking about, and RFRA wouldn't protect a business from discriminating due to "icky".
    Actually Indiana's law does. This is how it is different than other states.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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    You are speaking of your own morality, not the practice of religion and worship.
    No. I am speaking of religion. No religion says "follow my rules why you are at worship." Religion is a 24/7, 365 prospect.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So does that mean all the baker has to do is make every cake custom?
    As in what?
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That doesn't work either. If someone comes into my office and tells me that they want to pay me $30k to do their tax return but their income is from heroin trafficking I'm still going to ask them to leave even though it would be perfectly legal for me to do the return.
    Maybe tell him you'll list his profession as "HEROIN DEALER" on page 2? Although that might not matter.

    I've never been involved with any drug dealers, but have worked with/for a number of gamblers. The smart ones knew the only real problem they had was the IRS, so were pretty good clients with excellent records. We did accurately describe the business in all those cases.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You are right. It is not operating the business that is a problem. It is the state forcing the conciencious objector to act against her concience that is.
    Conscientious objection refers to service in the military. It's not cover for discrimination in the course of doing business.
    I don't attack my constituents. Bob is my constituent now.
    This is the important stuff. We canít get lost in discrimination. We canít get lost in B.S. We canít get lost tearing each other down. I want to make a point here that no matter what you look like, where you come from, how you worship, who you love, how you identify, and yeah, how you run, that if you have good public policy ideas, if you are well qualified for office, bring those ideas to the table, because this is your America, too. This is our commonwealth of Virginia, too.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No. I am speaking of religion. No religion says "follow my rules why you are at worship." Religion is a 24/7, 365 prospect.
    If your religion requires you to be a bigot and discriminate fine...just don't open a business. You don't get to write your own rules and hide behind your religion just because you open shop.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    As in what?
    The argument appears to be that bakeries provide cake choices people can pick from, so if the bakery simply stopped doing that then the entire argument against them would fall apart.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    That doesn't work either. If someone comes into my office and tells me that they want to pay me $30k to do their tax return but their income is from heroin trafficking I'm still going to ask them to leave even though it would be perfectly legal for me to do the return.
    Well, that's a little extreme in an attempt to discount my suggestion. I'm just curious - how does one document their income from heroin trafficking? Do people give receipts for such activity?
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So does that mean all the baker has to do is make every cake custom? It would seem to me that if every cake was custom then people like yourself couldn't use the "but it's in the book" argument.
    Custom in what sense...be specific. Its difficult to respond in a vacuum.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The argument appears to be that bakeries provide cake choices people can pick from, so if the bakery simply stopped doing that then the entire argument against them would fall apart.
    You are being so vague its difficult to respond. So...if I understand you correctly you are saying the bakery doesn't offer any specific kind of cake...like a book with pictures of decorations and just makes a cake according to the description of the purchaser? If that is what you saying...the same rules apply. They wouldn't be able to turn someone away simply because they were black or gay or "icky".
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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