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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Easy. The baker who decided to open their shop for business. They don't get to write their own rules just because they own a business. Sorry. They still have to comply with the law.
    It was the customers choice to engage the baker and their intent to cause discord so I would TOTALLY disagree with that assessment.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Actually, it isn't. TV and Radio stations must air political advertisements. So, if you had a business and you wanted to put up a Hillary for President poster, it wouldn't be far fetched for the government to say, you must be fair and post an opponents poster to. After all, you are a business and you gave up your rights. I think, you only support this because you aren't affected. If it went the other way, you'd be crying foul.
    TV and Radio have to air political advertisements because they are part of the media/airwaves - public access issues. The same laws do not apply to private businesses for obvious reasons. Its not even close to being related. Come up with a better analogy...this one is just silly.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    It was the customers choice to engage the baker and their intent to cause discord so I would TOTALLY disagree with that assessment.
    Well....you would be wrong. Sorry. It may have been the intent of the customer to cause discord...but THAT isn't discrimination.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Or you can elect officials that will protect your rights.

    Maybe Indiana did....and yet....he overturned it. (Or changed it)

    Seems like the majority is speaking in this case and his 'influences' and positions have changed. That often happens when the realities of a position are actually....realized.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Gee, wouldn't it be nice if every jurisdiction passed a law that said if you want to open a business that sells to the public you must sell to each and every person who enters your business provided they are polite, decent, exhibit proper hygiene, are not disruptive, and have a means of paying for the goods and/or services they wish to purchase. Otherwise, consider another profession or line of work.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Or in another way, if you have core religious values that would prevent you from serving everyone, you aren't allowed to open a business. Case in point, Muslim bakers must grant my request for a Happy Gay Marriage cake complete with Muhammad picture.
    No. You are missing the point (either purposefully or mistakenly). The Muslim baker would not have to write "Happy Gay Marriage" on your cake. They would have to sell you any cake that they openly offer to the public. Big difference.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No. You are missing the point (either purposefully or mistakenly). The Muslim baker would not have to write "Happy Gay Marriage" on your cake. They would have to sell you any cake that they openly offer to the public. Big difference.
    Right. They offer "put your message on a cake with a pic( provide pic, we print on cake ) for 9.99".

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    TV and Radio have to air political advertisements because they are part of the media/airwaves - public access issues. The same laws do not apply to private businesses for obvious reasons. Its not even close to being related. Come up with a better analogy...this one is just silly.
    Oh no. Your store front is in public view. You don't like the analogy because it calls out the hypocrisy of what you are doing, but the reality is that my analogy is as unfair as the idea that you can force someone to work for you even if it violates their personal and religious beliefs.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Right. They offer "put your message on a cake with a pic( provide pic, we print on cake ) for 9.99".
    That becomes a little more difficult. However, while they would still be required to provide the cake, it is likely that the current law would not require them to write something on the cake that they do not want to, even if they offer to "put your message on a cake". There are similar cases where someone didn't want to print profanity, etc that were found to not violate the law. I imagine that if the Christian Baker didn't want to write "Happy Gay Marriage" that would be ok. They just can't refuse to provide the cake.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    Oh no. Your store front is in public view. You don't like the analogy because it calls out the hypocrisy of what you are doing, but the reality is that my analogy is as unfair as the idea that you can force someone to work for you even if it violates their personal and religious beliefs.
    No. Face it, it was a poor analogy. Try harder to come up with something more on point. There are FCC laws that regulate the airwaves in the public interest. I'm happy to respond to an appropriate analogy. Put some thought into it and then get back to me.

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