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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There is no such law. Silly attempt at an analogy. Try something better.
    That is probably why he started with "what if".

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

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    Religious rights are tied to the practice of that religion. The government may not interfere in that. Operating a business is not akin to practicing a religion.
    You are right. It is not operating the business that is a problem. It is the state forcing the conciencious objector to act against her concience that is.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There is no such law. Silly attempt at an analogy. Try something better.
    Actually, it isn't. TV and Radio stations must air political advertisements. So, if you had a business and you wanted to put up a Hillary for President poster, it wouldn't be far fetched for the government to say, you must be fair and post an opponents poster to. After all, you are a business and you gave up your rights. I think, you only support this because you aren't affected. If it went the other way, you'd be crying foul.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    How many cases should there have to be before action takes place? Because it seems just a few people encounter discrimination, we should just ignore it? It must be widespread first? So those folks should just keep quiet and suck it up?
    That's a good question and I'm not sure that I have a good answer for you. My personal opinion is that a business owner should be allowed to operate pretty much as he or she sees fit as long as their actions don't injure their customers. The question then becomes one of how "injury" is defined. I have a hard time finding that there was any legal injury in refusing retail service to an individual due to a disagreement regarding ideology.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    There is no such law. Silly attempt at an analogy. Try something better.
    Nope. But it would be quite a law. Wouldn't it?

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    You are right. It is not operating the business that is a problem. It is the state forcing the conciencious objector to act against her concience that is.
    There's no force. If you dont like the laws pertaining to that state's business licenses, no one forces you to get one. You can find another state, jurisdiction, area in which to open your business.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is probably why he started with "what if".
    Even so...its a poor analogy. If you want me to respond, at least present an analogy that is somehow related to the topic, not something completely off the wall that has nothing in common with the topic at hand.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Easy. The baker who decided to open their shop for business. They don't get to write their own rules just because they own a business. Sorry. They still have to comply with the law.
    Or in another way, if you have core religious values that would prevent you from serving everyone, you aren't allowed to open a business. Case in point, Muslim bakers must grant my request for a Happy Gay Marriage cake complete with Muhammad picture.

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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    There's no force. If you dont like the laws pertaining to that state's business licenses, no one forces you to get one. You can find another state, jurisdiction, area in which to open your business.
    Or you can elect officials that will protect your rights.
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    Re: Gov. Mike Pence: Change RFRA law to make it clear discrimination won't be allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I'm jaded. I think that was the intention of the bill and those who have voiced support of "religious freedom" to discriminate saw it that way too.

    There is some skepticism in the media whether "the fix" will actually include LGBT persons. I hope it will be fixed like it should. I've read why the 1993 federal law was passed and it seemed a good reason related to religious practices of employees. The Indiana law is not the same as the federal one.
    I agree i feel the same. the government one im ok with for the most part, im not aware of any cases where illegal discrimination was made legal by it and it also was directed at protecting EMPLOYEES like you said. and is not the same.

    It will be very interesting to see what "the fix" is
    it should be to remove it for businesses and to add the exemption/verbiage that this doesnt trump civil rights or any protections already in place.
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