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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

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    I don't know where people get the idea that running a business somehow makes you a better presidential candidate.
    Better is relative, based on history and a community organizer......she is 'better'
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    And I was pointing out how using Jason Burnett as a source of any opinion about her is a joke.

    By the way, I don't know if you've ever worked in a large corporation. You can probably find 1000 former and current employees of any large business to criticize a former CEO. Without trying.
    Yes Jason, which is why I gave you ten or twelve others that you dismissed as disgruntled employees that might be found in any large corporation. So maybe you can assert bias towards Fortune.

    The public dysfunction started with the vicious infighting over HP’s merger with Compaq in 2002, which reached its nadir when the company’s high-profile CEO, Carly Fiorina, pilloried Walter Hewlett, a board member and son of a company founder, for daring to voice his opposition. There was a board riven by feuds — so out of control that some directors were leaking secrets to the press while the chairman of the board was hiring private investigators to obtain their phone records (and those of reporters) to uncover the perpetrators. That bit of skullduggery ended with the company’s chairman and its CEO both dragged before Congress to explain themselves under oath.

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    ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The only way that the nastiness of our current government infrastructure will stop is by bringing in outsiders to stop it. We keep re-electing politicians and then sit back and wonder why the results are the same all the time.
    On the contrary, your thoughts are fairly popular.

    I have two thoughts on this. First, outsiders are far more ineffective at maintaining course or introducing changes than insiders.

    Second, for the most part we are doing just fine with the way things operate. The establishment works. It's the common man, the populists who somehow believe that they can turn things around and make it all better. It's a fantasy. Career politicians are a desirable necessity. The only substantive changes outsiders will bring about are the wrong ones.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Yes Jason, which is why I gave you ten or twelve others that you dismissed as disgruntled employees that might be found in any large corporation. So maybe you can assert bias towards Fortune.

    The public dysfunction started with the vicious infighting over HP’s merger with Compaq in 2002, which reached its nadir when the company’s high-profile CEO, Carly Fiorina, pilloried Walter Hewlett, a board member and son of a company founder, for daring to voice his opposition. There was a board riven by feuds — so out of control that some directors were leaking secrets to the press while the chairman of the board was hiring private investigators to obtain their phone records (and those of reporters) to uncover the perpetrators. That bit of skullduggery ended with the company’s chairman and its CEO both dragged before Congress to explain themselves under oath.

    How Hewlett-Packard lost its*way - Fortune
    You didn't "give me tend or twelve others". CNN said it interviewed a dozen current and former employees. No names. No titles. No details on why the former employees are former employees. I'm sure if Fox News ran a piece where they interviewed 12 anonymous current and former HP employees who said she was great, you'd say she was great.

    Anyone who works in a big company or even a small company is smart enough to know that you can always find people, current and former employees, who will criticize the former CEO. Nothing to see.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You didn't "give me tend or twelve others". CNN said it interviewed a dozen current and former employees. No names. No titles. No details on why the former employees are former employees. I'm sure if Fox News ran a piece where they interviewed 12 anonymous current and former HP employees who said she was great, you'd say she was great.

    Anyone who works in a big company or even a small company is smart enough to know that you can always find people, current and former employees, who will criticize the former CEO. Nothing to see.
    I'm sure faux will be looking to do that too, if she's the one they need to help into the presidency. So what about Fortune?
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm sure faux will be looking to do that too, if she's the one they need to help into the presidency. So what about Fortune?
    Fortune what?
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not think her goal would be to win, but to set up later runs at office.
    I agree with you that she is NOT running to win. However I suspect that GOP operatives want her to do this to have a woman savaging Clinton like no man might be able to do. Her reward for that service would come if a GOP win gets the White House in 2017.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Fortune what?
    The public dysfunction started with the vicious infighting over HP’s merger with Compaq in 2002, which reached its nadir when the company’s high-profile CEO, Carly Fiorina, pilloried Walter Hewlett, a board member and son of a company founder, for daring to voice his opposition. There was a board riven by feuds — so out of control that some directors were leaking secrets to the press while the chairman of the board was hiring private investigators to obtain their phone records (and those of reporters) to uncover the perpetrators. That bit of skullduggery ended with the company’s chairman and its CEO both dragged before Congress to explain themselves under oath.

    How Hewlett-Packard lost its*way - Fortune
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I agree with you that she is NOT running to win. However I suspect that GOP operatives want her to do this to have a woman savaging Clinton like no man might be able to do. Her reward for that service would come if a GOP win gets the White House in 2017.
    She could, as Chris Wallace suggested, get the VP nomination.

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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I doubt you know much about the high tech industry, business, the stock market or what qualifications are necessary for the Presidency.

    Why not watch the interview and then give your critique. Fiorina likely GOP presidential candidate, attacks Clinton
    The board of HP asked for her resignation/forced her out. How does that come across as success?
    She is promoting her expertise in business as the reason she would be a good president.

    From the OP:
    “Because I have a deep understanding of how the economy actually works, having started as a secretary and become the chief executive of the largest technology company in the world,” she said.

    Based on the results of her tenure though, (see quote below) she wasn't so expert at the tech business or the economy.

    HP stock has been a laggard compared to the shares of rivals such as Dell (Research) and IBM (Research). Shares were trading at only about 13 times 2005 earnings estimates before the announcement, while shares of IBM and Dell traded at 17 times and 26 times forecasts for the current year.

    And even after factoring HP's big move Wednesday, the stock was still trading at around the same price it was at when the company announced its merger with Compaq in September 2001.
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