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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Interviews with close to a dozen current and former HP employees reveal that nearly 10 years after being forced out of the firm, Fiorina remains a deeply polarizing figure. Her tenure, which coincided with the bursting of the dot-com bubble, was fraught with layoffs, leadership transitions and a controversial merger with Compaq that pitted Fiorina against members of the Hewlett and Packard families in an ugly public feud.

    Well, it's not just Jason.
    And I was pointing out how using Jason Burnett as a source of any opinion about her is a joke.

    By the way, I don't know if you've ever worked in a large corporation. You can probably find 1000 former and current employees of any large business to criticize a former CEO. Without trying.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Fiorina isn't going to get anywhere near where she wants to with this and it's a waste of money. She hasn't been able to punch through the political system. Since her political experience is non-existent, she has to run on her business experience. However, her tenure at HP is lacking in inspiration at best, and at worst, was absolutely dreadful.
    If any group of voters can be bought off, it is the GOP.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    What's wrong with business experience versus political experience?
    It must be accompanied by high-level political experience.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It must be accompanied by high-level political experience.
    Define "high level political experience".
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by SlevinKelevra View Post
    Does she (and the GOP base) know that you can't run America into the ground and profit from it?
    The evidence would suggest that you are wrong on that point.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Define "high level political experience".
    Typical examples include a cabinet post, being a medium (on up) ranking member of Congress with multiple terms under their belt, a former multiple-term governor, or Vice President.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Typical examples include a cabinet post, being a medium (on up) ranking member of Congress with multiple terms under their belt, a former multiple-term governor, or Vice President.
    That could explain why Obama is a crappy President.

    Okay, do you think that political experience is all they need? I think that's part of the problem with the past few Presidents. They have no practical experience in the outside world. They were in a political bubble.

    I actually think the only political experience that's worth anything is one that came with managing a budget. Governors have had to manage budgets. The others, not so much or for some, not at all.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That could explain why Obama is a crappy President.
    I wouldn't term him crappy so much as much more ineffective than he could have been. He was a high riser and did not spend much time developing needed skills or relationships with his colleagues.

    Okay, do you think that political experience is all they need? I think that's part of the problem with the past few Presidents. They have no practical experience in the outside world. They were in a political bubble.
    It's the biggest component to what they need. I'm not much for populism in selecting persons for office in high politics. The "political bubble" as you put it, is precisely where they need to be embedded, because that is where they will spend most of their time trying to influence outcomes. Most of the time, outsiders simply don't know what they are talking about and they don't know how to wield power successfully in structures that respond best to someone that knows how they operate and can engage with those persons on a personal basis-tapping into long and familiar relationships. This doesn't preclude the idea that someone with vast political experience should engage with interesting and undervalued ideas, but being almost a total outsider when you are trying to wield influence in the political sphere is perhaps the worst place to be. Even if one is relatively experienced with politics, you can vastly undermine your own administration by stuffing it with D.C. outsiders. The first two to three years of Bill Clinton's Presidency significantly waned because he had not had nearly enough staffers who were familiar with D.C. national politics. After he changed that, he became much more successful.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

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    I don't know where people get the idea that running a business somehow makes you a better presidential candidate.
    Probably the same place people got the idea that a community organizer is qualified for the office.
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    Re: ‘Higher than 90 percent’ chance Fiorina will run for president

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I wouldn't term him crappy so much as much more ineffective than he could have been. He was a high riser and did not spend much time developing needed skills or relationships with his colleagues.



    It's the biggest component to what they need. I'm not much for populism in selecting persons for office in high politics. The "political bubble" as you put it, is precisely where they need to be embedded, because that is where they will spend most of their time trying to influence outcomes. Most of the time, outsiders simply don't know what they are talking about and they don't know how to wield power successfully in structures that respond best to someone that knows how they operate and can engage with those persons on a personal basis-tapping into long and familiar relationships. This doesn't preclude the idea that someone with vast political experience should engage with interesting and undervalued ideas, but being almost a total outsider when you are trying to wield influence in the political sphere is perhaps the worst place to be. Even if one is relatively experienced with politics, you can vastly undermine your own administration by stuffing it with D.C. outsiders. The first two to three years of Bill Clinton's Presidency significantly waned because he had not had nearly enough staffers who were familiar with D.C. national politics. After he changed that, he became much more successful.
    I think he's crappy but we can disagree.

    Career politicians repulse me. The more entrenched they are in politics, the worse it is. As unpopular as this is, my "dream" President was either a CEO of a large organization, or the governor of a state. While it's true that Clinton didn't know how to play the DC political game, he also didn't come in with expertise in the DC political game, meaning he really had to apply his executive experience (which he had as Gov of Arkansas) to the larger and more complex national stage.

    The only way that the nastiness of our current government infrastructure will stop is by bringing in outsiders to stop it. We keep re-electing politicians and then sit back and wonder why the results are the same all the time.
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