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Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

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In a future vision eerily reminiscent of the fire hoses of Birmingham Alabama in 1963, Ex "Mayor Rick Bosetti of Redding California is using his power and authority to harass , abuse and exile the homeless in his community rather than helping them. In a time when Dr. King is used a a marketing gimmick, police abuse on the poor is on the rise and city's across the country are criminalizing the poor.

Do you feel this is a violation of homeless civil rights ?




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PROTEST Ex Redding mayor wants sprinklers on homeless Stand against Rick Bosetti
 
You have no civil right to trespass, or any other criminal activity. The park is closed at night to all. It's not a campground or a homeless shelter nor is it a drug den. And just stop trying to compare it to a genuine civil rights struggle.
 
Didn't Utah save a whole bunch of money by simply giving the homeless... homes? Why are we still so spiteful that we can't follow that example?
 
Paschendale said:
Didn't Utah save a whole bunch of money by simply giving the homeless... homes? Why are we still so spiteful that we can't follow that example?
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Some other states are trying that very same thing, in fact it was a George Bush admin program. But there are varying results and the major problem is substance abuse. It wasn't homes per se but apartments. Gotta say, who would want to live anywhere near those apartments?

Btw, remember the Projects? How'd that work out?
 
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RLF said:
In a future vision eerily reminiscent of the fire hoses of Birmingham Alabama in 1963, Ex "Mayor Rick Bosetti of Redding California is using his power and authority to harass , abuse and exile the homeless in his community rather than helping them. In a time when Dr. King is used a a marketing gimmick, police abuse on the poor is on the rise and city's across the country are criminalizing the poor.

Do you feel this is a violation of homeless civil rights ?
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As another poster said a park is not a campground, homeless shelter or drug den.This is not a civil rights struggle.Trying to compare this to a civil rights issue is idiotic and a insult to people who marched for equal rights back then.
 
There are solutions - work camps. Also known as "the County poorhouse" they ought to be taken to a local work camp. After delousing, they can have a cot, blankets, a yard shower, and (for food) beans, rice and oatmeal. . During the day they can labor on Country roads, clean farmer's barns, milk cows, scrub commandants floors, and weed fields. And if anyone who refuses to work, they do not eat (the under-producers can be put on half rations).

On Sundays they can attend camp church, read their free bible, wash clothes, and on Sundays watch a group television during the evening (no cable).
 
Paschendale said:
Didn't Utah save a whole bunch of money by simply giving the homeless... homes? Why are we still so spiteful that we can't follow that example?
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This only saves money compared to the absolute most expensive thing we could possibly do with the homeless, which is what we actually do, which is put them in a never-ending carousel of emergency services. Some of them are trucked around in ambulances and police cruisers hundreds of times in a year to the ER and/or drunk tank for sleep-off. So it's not that handing out free housing to addicts is necessarily that inherently great of a concept (moral hazard), it's just not quite as bad as what we do now.
 
Neomalthusian said:
This only saves money compared to the absolute most expensive thing we could possibly do with the homeless, which is what we actually do, which is put them in a never-ending carousel of emergency services. Some of them are trucked around in ambulances and police cruisers hundreds of times in a year to the ER and/or drunk tank for sleep-off. So it's not that handing out free housing to addicts is necessarily that inherently great of a concept (moral hazard), it's just not quite as bad as what we do now.
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Have you actually read anything about the moral hazard? It doesn't do anything except hurt people who need help. People who aren't in need spend less money... because they don't need things and don't buy things that are too expensive. But those who do need help don't get it. And the notion that homeless people are mainly addicts, and that they are homeless because of addiction (and portraying it as a moral failing) instead of the other way around... is of course complete nonsense.
 
Paschendale said:
Didn't Utah save a whole bunch of money by simply giving the homeless... homes? Why are we still so spiteful that we can't follow that example?
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The saving of money is due to the entitlement to health care and the fact that homeless inebriates spend dozens or even hundreds of nights per year in the carousel of emergency services, getting rides in ambulances or police cruisers to emergency rooms and/or sleep off in nearby jails. This has tremendous cost. The fact that stuffing them in apartments they don't have to pay for is cheaper isn't saying much, considering almost nothing could be more expensive than what we currently do.
 
Paschendale said:
Have you actually read anything about the moral hazard? It doesn't do anything except hurt people who need help. People who aren't in need spend less money... because they don't need things and don't buy things that are too expensive. But those who do need help don't get it.
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No idea what you're even attempting to say here.

And the notion that homeless people are mainly addicts, and that they are homeless because of addiction (and portraying it as a moral failing) instead of the other way around... is of course complete nonsense.
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National Coalition for the Homeless:

Substance abuse is often a cause of homelessness. Addictive disorders disrupt relationships with family and friends and often cause people to lose their jobs. For people who are already struggling to pay their bills, the onset or exacerbation of an addiction may cause them to lose their housing. A 2008 survey by the United States Conference of Mayors asked 25 cities for their top three causes of homelessness. Substance abuse was the single largest cause of homelessness for single adults (reported by 68% of cities). Substance abuse was also mentioned by 12% of cities as one of the top three causes of homelessness for families. According to Didenko and Pankratz (2007), two-thirds of homeless people report that drugs and/or alcohol were a major reason for their becoming homeless.

www.nationalhomeless.org/factsheets/addiction.pdf
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Paschendale said:
Didn't Utah save a whole bunch of money by simply giving the homeless... homes? Why are we still so spiteful that we can't follow that example?
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Because silly Socialist, the State of California is going bankrupt in order give and give and give to all the illegals so they will support the Democratic party.
 
The "have nots" are a burden on our society and must be dealt with "effectively". Poverty must some day be considered a crime in this nation.
 
maxparrish said:
There are solutions - work camps. Also known as "the County poorhouse" they ought to be taken to a local work camp. After delousing, they can have a cot, blankets, a yard shower, and (for food) beans, rice and oatmeal. . During the day they can labor on Country roads, clean farmer's barns, milk cows, scrub commandants floors, and weed fields. And if anyone who refuses to work, they do not eat (the under-producers can be put on half rations).

On Sundays they can attend camp church, read their free bible, wash clothes, and on Sundays watch a group television during the evening (no cable).
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Which rock do you right-wingers crawl out from under in the light?
 
Texmex said:
Which rock do you right-wingers crawl out from under in the light?
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Under the same rock that FDR's Civilian Conservation Corp came from. Or were you not aware the in his concern for poverty and unemployment he created CCC work camps in isolated areas where the dependents were housed in tents and barracks, and expected to work for their housing and meals?

I guess FDR was a "right-winger", no? (And gasp, he didn't have TV or cable...how barbaric).
 
maxparrish said:
Under the same rock that FDR's Civilian Conservation Corp came from. Or were you not aware the in his concern for poverty and unemployment he created CCC work camps in isolated areas where the dependents were housed in tents and barracks, and expected to work for their housing and meals?

I guess FDR was a "right-winger", no? (And gasp, he didn't have TV or cable...how barbaric).
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FDR? :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
I know one reason it is a dumb idea, California is in a drought and probably can't spare the water.
 
RLF said:
In a future vision eerily reminiscent of the fire hoses of Birmingham Alabama in 1963, Ex "Mayor Rick Bosetti of Redding California is using his power and authority to harass , abuse and exile the homeless in his community rather than helping them. In a time when Dr. King is used a a marketing gimmick, police abuse on the poor is on the rise and city's across the country are criminalizing the poor.

Do you feel this is a violation of homeless civil rights ?
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Don't you know homeless people are a fire hazard? He's protecting them.

In all seriousness, no, its not a violation of civil rights to remind people not to trespass by thoroughly watering them. It sure beats electric shock benches.
 
Won't the park campers just think that it's raining? It's not like they are going to move indoors.
 
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