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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Didn't Utah save a whole bunch of money by simply giving the homeless... homes? Why are we still so spiteful that we can't follow that example?
    The saving of money is due to the entitlement to health care and the fact that homeless inebriates spend dozens or even hundreds of nights per year in the carousel of emergency services, getting rides in ambulances or police cruisers to emergency rooms and/or sleep off in nearby jails. This has tremendous cost. The fact that stuffing them in apartments they don't have to pay for is cheaper isn't saying much, considering almost nothing could be more expensive than what we currently do.

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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Have you actually read anything about the moral hazard? It doesn't do anything except hurt people who need help. People who aren't in need spend less money... because they don't need things and don't buy things that are too expensive. But those who do need help don't get it.
    No idea what you're even attempting to say here.

    And the notion that homeless people are mainly addicts, and that they are homeless because of addiction (and portraying it as a moral failing) instead of the other way around... is of course complete nonsense.
    National Coalition for the Homeless:

    Substance abuse is often a cause of homelessness. Addictive disorders disrupt relationships with family and friends and often cause people to lose their jobs. For people who are already struggling to pay their bills, the onset or exacerbation of an addiction may cause them to lose their housing. A 2008 survey by the United States Conference of Mayors asked 25 cities for their top three causes of homelessness. Substance abuse was the single largest cause of homelessness for single adults (reported by 68% of cities). Substance abuse was also mentioned by 12% of cities as one of the top three causes of homelessness for families. According to Didenko and Pankratz (2007), two-thirds of homeless people report that drugs and/or alcohol were a major reason for their becoming homeless.

    http://www.nationalhomeless.org/fact.../addiction.pdf
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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Didn't Utah save a whole bunch of money by simply giving the homeless... homes? Why are we still so spiteful that we can't follow that example?
    Because silly Socialist, the State of California is going bankrupt in order give and give and give to all the illegals so they will support the Democratic party.

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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    The "have nots" are a burden on our society and must be dealt with "effectively". Poverty must some day be considered a crime in this nation.

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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    There are solutions - work camps. Also known as "the County poorhouse" they ought to be taken to a local work camp. After delousing, they can have a cot, blankets, a yard shower, and (for food) beans, rice and oatmeal. . During the day they can labor on Country roads, clean farmer's barns, milk cows, scrub commandants floors, and weed fields. And if anyone who refuses to work, they do not eat (the under-producers can be put on half rations).

    On Sundays they can attend camp church, read their free bible, wash clothes, and on Sundays watch a group television during the evening (no cable).
    Which rock do you right-wingers crawl out from under in the light?

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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Which rock do you right-wingers crawl out from under in the light?
    Under the same rock that FDR's Civilian Conservation Corp came from. Or were you not aware the in his concern for poverty and unemployment he created CCC work camps in isolated areas where the dependents were housed in tents and barracks, and expected to work for their housing and meals?

    I guess FDR was a "right-winger", no? (And gasp, he didn't have TV or cable...how barbaric).

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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    Under the same rock that FDR's Civilian Conservation Corp came from. Or were you not aware the in his concern for poverty and unemployment he created CCC work camps in isolated areas where the dependents were housed in tents and barracks, and expected to work for their housing and meals?

    I guess FDR was a "right-winger", no? (And gasp, he didn't have TV or cable...how barbaric).
    FDR?

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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    I know one reason it is a dumb idea, California is in a drought and probably can't spare the water.

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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    Quote Originally Posted by RLF View Post
    In a future vision eerily reminiscent of the fire hoses of Birmingham Alabama in 1963, Ex "Mayor Rick Bosetti of Redding California is using his power and authority to harass , abuse and exile the homeless in his community rather than helping them. In a time when Dr. King is used a a marketing gimmick, police abuse on the poor is on the rise and city's across the country are criminalizing the poor.

    Do you feel this is a violation of homeless civil rights ?
    Don't you know homeless people are a fire hazard? He's protecting them.

    In all seriousness, no, its not a violation of civil rights to remind people not to trespass by thoroughly watering them. It sure beats electric shock benches.

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    Re: Ex Redding California mayor wants sprinklers on sleeping homeless

    Won't the park campers just think that it's raining? It's not like they are going to move indoors.
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    The systems that ensure freedom and liberty are breaking down and fundamentalism is growing. Nobody is righteous anymore.


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