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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Are we the only ones sanctioning them, or is this a multi-country thing? If we drop the sanctions, do the other countries also have to comply, if that's how the "agreement" reads? I suppose it would, but I'm not sure of that. Most of the world does not want Iran to have nukes, so what kind of deal can be reached by talking about it for the years this discussion has been going on?


    If I am not mistaken, there are several layers of sanctions ongoing. The first were in 1979 by the US, later followed by Canada after the revolution and hostage taking.

    Then there are those stemming from the UN 2006 resolution over Iran's refusal to curb nuke development. They have been exceptionally effective and are aimed at oil and gas exploration, development and new customers; China has been very accommodating and not developed new business in the region but that has to do with developing more reliable supply through Canada.

    The US has had a total, some say crippling embargo through to a ban on all Iranian made products and, along with Canada, have identified many high ranking individuals who are banned from travel and cannot set foot on either country's soil, in Canada's case recognized by the Commonwealth.

    Combined they have stifled much of the economy and made international lepers of Iranian leaders; imagine being a foreign minister who is denied diplomatic immunity in Canada, US, Britain, India, Australia etc.

    I believe Obama has returned $11 billion as a sign of "good faith", meaning a bribe to get talks, and suspended the harsher aspects of it's embargo. Europe and the UN participants have not, to my knowledge. However, should Obama lift all restrictions and the rest of the world should not, Iran would be in very good shape and have the US as a new, hungry market they would only be willing to dump cheap oil over the short term, say two to ten years, depending on who occupies the White House.
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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    I see Netanyahu has spoken up about the Deal so far.....Israel doesn't like it. Some think a deal will be reached.....but then they will have to accord and think changes can be made then. Yet the sanctions would come down and Iran gets their money able to do more of what they are doing in the ME.
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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    From what I understand, Iran has agreed to 6,000 centrifuges. Although it seems a huge concession, this is dependent on the type of centrifuge. Most of the the units in their current centrifuge-cascades are of the IR-2 model which is an improvement over the original IR-1 model which was a copy of a European Urenco model whose blueprints were stolen by A.Q. Khan of Pakistan and sold to the Iranians. However, Iran has fabricated a new centrifuge prototype which is 16x more efficient than the current IR-2. Thus, end-product capability would be increased by a factor of 16:1. This is far more than Iran needs for power-generation, research, medicine, industry, etc. So the critical question is; are the 6,000 allowed centrifuges strictly of the IR-2 type or is this facet unspecified?

    Some other sticking points:

    Iran seeks the ability to continue with advanced centrifuge research.
    Iran is averse to the Phase I agreement (March 31) being a written agreement.
    Iran is balking at sending spent fuel rods to a third country (Russia).
    Iran wants to locally dilute (down-blend) stocks of Uranium hexafloride (UF6) enriched to 20% rather than transfer this stock to Russia.
    Iran wants all sanctions to end immediately rather than be incrementally phased out over time.
    Iran is strongly resisting intrusive inspections.

    Another problem is that the P5+1 nations could unilaterally offer sanctions relief in the areas of trade, oil and banking. However, the question of easing comprehensive UN sanctions is much more complex and involves Iranian compliance with IAEA demands of transparency in 20 areas of inquiry including Possible Military Dimensions, (PMDs - missile technology, warhead blueprints, etc)


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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    The Telegraph article says the defector quit his job and wasn't sent to cover the nuclear talks...so how would he know?


    Amir Hossein Motaghi had terminated his contribution to ISCA and this news agency has not had any reporter at the nuclear talks, except for a photojournalist”, it said.

    However, critics said Mr Mottaghi was “prey of the exiled counter-revolutionaries” and had gone to Lausanne with the sole purpose of seeking refugee status in Switzerland.

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The Telegraph article says the defector quit his job and wasn't sent to cover the nuclear talks...so how would he know?


    The Telegraph is citing the Iranian News Agency.




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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    From what I understand, Iran has agreed to 6,000 centrifuges. Although it seems a huge concession, this is dependent on the type of centrifuge. Most of the the units in their current centrifuge-cascades are of the IR-2 model which is an improvement over the original IR-1 model which was a copy of a European Urenco model whose blueprints were stolen by A.Q. Khan of Pakistan and sold to the Iranians. However, Iran has fabricated a new centrifuge prototype which is 16x more efficient than the current IR-2. Thus, end-product capability would be increased by a factor of 16:1. This is far more than Iran needs for power-generation, research, medicine, industry, etc. So the critical question is; are the 6,000 allowed centrifuges strictly of the IR-2 type or is this facet unspecified?

    Some other sticking points:

    Iran seeks the ability to continue with advanced centrifuge research.
    Iran is averse to the Phase I agreement (March 31) being a written agreement.
    Iran is balking at sending spent fuel rods to a third country (Russia).
    Iran wants to locally dilute (down-blend) stocks of Uranium hexafloride (UF6) enriched to 20% rather than transfer this stock to Russia.
    Iran wants all sanctions to end immediately rather than be incrementally phased out over time.
    Iran is strongly resisting intrusive inspections.

    Another problem is that the P5+1 nations could unilaterally offer sanctions relief in the areas of trade, oil and banking. However, the question of easing comprehensive UN sanctions is much more complex and involves Iranian compliance with IAEA demands of transparency in 20 areas of inquiry including Possible Military Dimensions, (PMDs - missile technology, warhead blueprints, etc)

    Which they were already in hot water from 2003 over the Ballistic Missile Program.....they still are in violation of the UN treaty over Ballistics. Yet they say there is no discussing over their Military Program.

    Now the French told the Iranians yesterday, they need to take a deep breath and to start getting serious about their intentions.

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    From what I understand, Iran has agreed to 6,000 centrifuges. Although it seems a huge concession, this is dependent on the type of centrifuge. Most of the the units in their current centrifuge-cascades are of the IR-2 model which is an improvement over the original IR-1 model which was a copy of a European Urenco model whose blueprints were stolen by A.Q. Khan of Pakistan and sold to the Iranians. However, Iran has fabricated a new centrifuge prototype which is 16x more efficient than the current IR-2. Thus, end-product capability would be increased by a factor of 16:1. This is far more than Iran needs for power-generation, research, medicine, industry, etc. So the critical question is; are the 6,000 allowed centrifuges strictly of the IR-2 type or is this facet unspecified?

    Some other sticking points:

    Iran seeks the ability to continue with advanced centrifuge research.
    Iran is averse to the Phase I agreement (March 31) being a written agreement.
    Iran is balking at sending spent fuel rods to a third country (Russia).
    Iran wants to locally dilute (down-blend) stocks of Uranium hexafloride (UF6) enriched to 20% rather than transfer this stock to Russia.
    Iran wants all sanctions to end immediately rather than be incrementally phased out over time.
    Iran is strongly resisting intrusive inspections.

    Another problem is that the P5+1 nations could unilaterally offer sanctions relief in the areas of trade, oil and banking. However, the question of easing comprehensive UN sanctions is much more complex and involves Iranian compliance with IAEA demands of transparency in 20 areas of inquiry including Possible Military Dimensions, (PMDs - missile technology, warhead blueprints, etc)
    As long as the nuclear material is not carefully controlled and shipped out of the country, the number of 6.000 centrifuges is preposterous in any case, as far as I can tell. As more becomes known of the proposed treaty, it appears more and more to mean that we have decided to allow Iran to be a virtual nuclear weapons power.

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    The Telegraph is citing the Iranian News Agency.


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    From your link.....

    The British Telegraph has details of Motaghi's defection:

    Amir Hossein Motaghi, who managed public relations for Mr Rouhani during his 2013 election campaign, was said by Iranian news agencies to have quit his job at the Iran Student Correspondents Association (ISCA).....


    From the British Telegraph article.....

    ..ISCA, which has come under fire from regime hardliners critical of Mr Rouhani, issued a statement denying that Mr Motaghi was in Lausanne to report for it.

    Amir Hossein Motaghi had terminated his contribution to ISCA and this news agency has not had any reporter at the nuclear talks, except for a photojournalist”, it said.

    However, critics said Mr Mottaghi was “prey of the exiled counter-revolutionaries” and had gone to Lausanne with the sole purpose of seeking refugee status in Switzerland....

    Pro-Hassan Rouhani Iranian editor defects while covering nuclear talks in Lausanne - Telegraph


    The only mention of the Iranian news agency was their denial of sending Motaghi to cover the story in Switzerland.

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The message is still same. doh!



    From your link.....

    The British Telegraph has details of Motaghi's defection:

    Amir Hossein Motaghi, who managed public relations for Mr Rouhani during his 2013 election campaign, was said by Iranian news agencies to have quit his job at the Iran Student Correspondents Association (ISCA).....


    From the British Telegraph article.....

    ..ISCA, which has come under fire from regime hardliners critical of Mr Rouhani, issued a statement denying that Mr Motaghi was in Lausanne to report for it.

    Amir Hossein Motaghi had terminated his contribution to ISCA and this news agency has not had any reporter at the nuclear talks, except for a photojournalist”, it said.

    However, critics said Mr Mottaghi was “prey of the exiled counter-revolutionaries” and had gone to Lausanne with the sole purpose of seeking refugee status in Switzerland....

    Pro-Hassan Rouhani Iranian editor defects while covering nuclear talks in Lausanne - Telegraph


    The only mention of the Iranian news agency was their denial of sending Motaghi to cover the story in Switzerland.

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    He's as credible as the Iraqi defector Curvball who assured the CIA that Saddam Hussein had WMD stockpiles, and America was months away from having a mushroom cloud over a US city, lol.
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