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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin Simplexity. So far BO has agreed to 6k on the Centrifuges.



    So the rumors last month were true: Six thousand centrifuges will continue to spin, which is supposedly a great victory for the U.S. since it would mean — assuming Iran isn’t covertly operating even more centrifuges under the UN’s nose — that Iran would need a solid year to “break out” and refine enough uranium to power a nuclear bomb. Which means Barack Obama would have a year to prepare and execute a U.S. attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities to stop them.

    So Iran gets to keep enriching, maybe gets to keep using its heavily fortified Fordow facility, gets to keep perfecting its ICBMs while all of this is happening, and then is free to get crazy with the nuclear cheez whiz in 15 years — and amid all this, a variety of American and international sanctions would be gradually relaxed. In return for all that, the U.S. gets a handful of magic beans. Pet the Gatestone Institute, even the French — the French! — think Obama’s a sucker who’s unwittingly kickstarting a nuclear panic among the Middle East’s Sunni powers. The same guy who’s spent years talking up “nuclear zero” may end up leaving a legacy of Islamic states arming themselves to the teeth with civilization-destroying bombs:

    [French Foreign Minister Laurent] Fabius himself, in a meeting last week, made extremely clear his deep distrust (“contempt, really,” one MP says) of both John Kerry and Barack Obama. Another of the group quotes Fabius as saying: “The United States was really ready to sign just about anything with the Iranians,” before explaining that he himself had sent out, mid-February, a number of French ‘counter-proposals’ to the State Department and White House, in order to prevent an agreement too imbalanced in favor of Iran…..snip~

    AP confirms: U.S. nuke deal to allow Iran 6,000 centrifuges for continued uranium enrichment « Hot Air
    Greetings, MMC.

    I have been away for a few days, so I'm not up to date, sorry about that. I have read what Iran is getting - pretty much all they wanted, to all appearances. What are we and the rest of the countries at the negotiation table getting in return, or don't we know that yet? .

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, MMC.

    I have been away for a few days, so I'm not up to date, sorry about that. I have read what Iran is getting - pretty much all they wanted, to all appearances. What are we and the rest of the countries at the negotiation table getting in return, or don't we know that yet? .


    That's okay Lady P. But I still have to be fair....so drop and knock out 50 Push ups for me.


    So far it looks like all we get is some made up story on how BO got a Historic Deal.

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's okay Lady P. But I still have to be fair....so drop and knock out 50 Push ups for me.


    So far it looks like all we get is some made up story on how BO got a Historic Deal.
    So it's all up to Kerry to get a deal, even if it's a bad deal? Do you believe the other countries involved in the talks are just going to roll over and let that happen without making a lot of noise about it. Also, what about the other ME countries, some verbally and some silently in agreement with Israel on this - they're closer to the "consequences" since they live next door, so to speak.

    I use Tai Chi as exercise - pushups are for men! Why would I want muscular arms? :

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks



    "Traitors!"
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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    So it's all up to Kerry to get a deal, even if it's a bad deal? Do you believe the other countries involved in the talks are just going to roll over and let that happen without making a lot of noise about it. Also, what about the other ME countries, some verbally and some silently in agreement with Israel on this - they're closer to the "consequences" since they live next door, so to speak.

    I use Tai Chi as exercise - pushups are for men! Why would I want muscular arms? :

    Yeah Lady P, I think they will roll over and give up the sanctions. Not forcing Iran to prove themselves.

    Others in the ME more than likely are already making plans to get theirs.

    Its okay if ya can't do push ups......you know that exercise where you reach for the sky? See, ya lean back in ya chair and lift ya arms up over your head, stretch like ya trying to touch the ceiling. Go ahead and try.....I'll watch to see if ya get it Right.

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Why are Obama and Kerry the only people on the planet who support this?

    What is their real goal?

    Probably the best and most ignored question.

    Why would an administration pursue a bad deal?

    One, Obama is the driving force, and he won't be around to answer for it.

    Two, we can remove Kerry from the equation as he sees this as a another shot at the White House, the great negotiator; and he is just stupid enough to believe his own resume'. He is a 'yes' man, he has cowered before Obama amid one "teensy attack" gaff after another.

    Obama is, I have maintained since October of '08 is all about Obama, his image, legacy and history. he has carefully been trying to cultivate an image of the great peace maker, a man of Islam and Christianity too, worthy of a peace prize before doing anything but be black and fool an apparently easily fooled nation. He has backed away from conflict with anything Arab or Islam, tried to spin a terrorist attack as a 'spontaneous demonstration', and abandoned Iraq to ISIS.

    Does he hate America? No. He just loves himself more and needs to see himself in huge, dramatic terms to self identify; admiration is not enough for this guy, he wants worship. As kings in middle ages Europe were given monikers, such as Ivan the Terrible, John the liberator, and Henrik the bold, he wants one, Obama the brave, pursuer of peace'

    And I don't think he really cares whether there is peace or not, as he has shown nothing is his fault, he can always say then Iran nukes Tel Aviv, "It's _______ fault!"
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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    "Traitors!"
    Greetings, F&L.

    I would have to agree with you, except that I would call them "cowards" at this point, since this looks a lot like kicking the can down the road, which is basically saying, "we'll give you a chance to prove you can be trusted until we see you can't." What good is that, since it will be too late at that point - then we could truly call them traitors to the entire world community, for all that it would matter to anyone at that point! Talk is cheap, and Iran has not kept their word on other agreements, and those voting know that! I can understand some of the Dems wanting to help BO, but a unanimous vote? What's going on here?

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah Lady P, I think they will roll over and give up the sanctions. Not forcing Iran to prove themselves.

    Others in the ME more than likely are already making plans to get theirs.

    Its okay if ya can't do push ups......you know that exercise where you reach for the sky? See, ya lean back in ya chair and lift ya arms up over your head, stretch like ya trying to touch the ceiling. Go ahead and try.....I'll watch to see if ya get it Right.
    I'm only 5'2" tall, so I do your reaching exercise every time I have to get something from the top shelf in my cupboards! When it's a heavy bowl, I've got to drag the kitchen ladder out so I don't end up wearing it! That's easier than wearing three-inch heels around the house all day, though.

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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, F&L.

    I would have to agree with you, except that I would call them "cowards" at this point, since this looks a lot like kicking the can down the road, which is basically saying, "we'll give you a chance to prove you can be trusted until we see you can't." What good is that, since it will be too late at that point - then we could truly call them traitors to the entire world community, for all that it would matter to anyone at that point! Talk is cheap, and Iran has not kept their word on other agreements, and those voting know that! I can understand some of the Dems wanting to help BO, but a unanimous vote? What's going on here?


    I think you give them far too much credit.

    It is cowardice, but not kicking the can down the road, it is CMA, "cover my ass". Clearly the Republicans will take any vote that sends a message the deal is not Obama's to make. The Democrats who voted "yes' are clearly unsure about the deal, and are registering that so when the bomb is dropped on Tel Aviv, they can say "I was against this deal" or some other magnificent stretch of the truth.

    Does it have any meat? Will it slow Iran's nuke program?

    No.


    I suspect now that Obama has given the money back before getting a deal, the only way Iran's nukes will be stopped is by "bombing them into the stone age."

    Anyone following this needs to read even a short biography on Anthony Eden. The parallels are frightening, right down to the quote "..its' for domestic consumption" when Hitler said he would lead his tanks through the Arc de Triumph in Paris, or which we now have many photographs with his hand in the "seig hiel" salute.
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    Re: Foreign ministers arrive amid crucial weekend for Iran nuclear talks

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I think you give them far too much credit.

    It is cowardice, but not kicking the can down the road, it is CMA, "cover my ass". Clearly the Republicans will take any vote that sends a message the deal is not Obama's to make. The Democrats who voted "yes' are clearly unsure about the deal, and are registering that so when the bomb is dropped on Tel Aviv, they can say "I was against this deal" or some other magnificent stretch of the truth.

    Does it have any meat? Will it slow Iran's nuke program?

    No.


    I suspect now that Obama has given the money back before getting a deal, the only way Iran's nukes will be stopped is by "bombing them into the stone age."

    Anyone following this needs to read even a short biography on Anthony Eden. The parallels are frightening, right down to the quote "..its' for domestic consumption" when Hitler said he would lead his tanks through the Arc de Triumph in Paris, or which we now have many photographs with his hand in the "seig hiel" salute.
    Are we the only ones sanctioning them, or is this a multi-country thing? If we drop the sanctions, do the other countries also have to comply, if that's how the "agreement" reads? I suppose it would, but I'm not sure of that. Most of the world does not want Iran to have nukes, so what kind of deal can be reached by talking about it for the years this discussion has been going on?

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