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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And just how do you think this GOP crowd would have responded if Obama had done as you wish right away in 2009?

    No, administrative overlap prevented him from doing so--just as with closing Gitmo.

    I'm tired of putting the USA at risk due to terrorists hating us over covering up Israeli indiscretions--though it's now too late.
    And of course IMHO these indiscretions only get worse when the Likud and their splinter coalition of settlement parties are in power.
    Though all Presidents have supported the 1967 borders and the two-state solution, there's still little pressure, especially with today's GOP.

    Israel spies on the USA during Reagan's time--I'm wondering if that had anything to do with Reagan's illegal dealings with Iran.
    I'm sure you're well-versed on the USS liberty incident--as I'm sure it's been dragged around this forum before I got here.
    Lol. When I say the same thing that you're saying here, which we agree on, you accuse me of an anti-rant. Patronizing children are funny.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Are you really that nave to think that Obama should continue to take the broken broom handle up his ass from Bibi and the GOPs?



    Why did Bibi disown the two-state solution right before the election, which Arabs never trusted him on, and then lamely try to walk it back--Obama's not biting.
    Why did Bibi play the racist card against Israeli Arabs just before the election and then apologize just after, due to blowback from American Jews?

    And we know why Benedict Boehner did what he did with Bibi--to undercut Obama--to sabotage the nuke talks.
    To make a play for American Jews in the 2016 election .
    None of that is an answer. We have this childish, vindictive president that is screwing up everything he touches, while Netanyahu has to be the grown up and lead him around. Except Obama is slow on the up take and still doesn't know what time it is. So, the world burns as we wait for this guy to get a clue, or just go away.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    None of that is an answer. We have this childish, vindictive president that is screwing up everything he touches, while Netanyahu has to be the grown up and lead him around. Except Obama is slow on the up take and still doesn't know what time it is. So, the world burns as we wait for this guy to get a clue, or just go away.
    Netanyahu!! That ****ing freak that has accused Iran for twenty five years of being a year or two away from having a nuclear weapon? That's who you place your flesh against. Have you ever considered taking therapy for that sickness. Look here dude, start thinking about America, and American interests. Stop compromising our security and reputation. Let that dung hole over there destroy themselves. If you're an American, if you're concerned with your fellows, then quit ****ting on your president, stop practicing treason against your own president and be a patriot, an American, support America, and quit sucking on Netanyahu! Do you understand??
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Netanyahu!! That ****ing freak that has accused Iran for twenty five years of being a year or two away from having a nuclear weapon? That's who you place your flesh against. Have you ever considered taking therapy for that sickness. Look here dude, start thinking about America, and American interests. Stop compromising our security and reputation. Let that dung hole over there destroy themselves. If you're an American, if you're concerned with your fellows, then quit ****ting on your president, stop practicing treason against your own president and be a patriot, an American, support America, and quit sucking on Netanyahu! Do you understand??
    What they have failed to realized is that at no point has anyone in Israel ever wondered: What would happen if anyone ever learned we have nuclear weapons after we've gotten our ally in the West to tell the Arabs and Persians that they can't have any? It's all about Obama bashing. Hell, the OP in this thread is so blinded by his desire to attack Obama that he's failed to realize that our ability to demand that others no have nuclear weapons was dependent on having an ally in the area who didn't ignore every single standard we've set for the Arabs and Persians. Now, there is absolutely no ****ing incentive for anyone to listen to anything the US has to say on nuclear proliferation. All for what? So we could cover the tails of Israel? **** that noise.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol. I'm laughing at YOU thinking that the country of Iraq has ever been a democracy.
    Meh..

    You were no doubt neck deep in Bush derangement syndrome when Iraqi's were walking around with purple fingers so I'm not surprised you would say something like that.

    You never acknowledged the fact that Iraqi's WERE voting because it would contradict your Bush obsession.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    The Jewish community typically votes Democrat...am I right?

    I was also under the impression they gave a lot of money to the Democrat party...is that right?


    Will these action by the president lead to a fundamental change in how the Jewish community votes?
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm very pro-Israel, but can't stand Netanyahu. That isn't the point. The point is that we have deliberately and publicly betrayed an ally because it's president dissed our president. Tit for tat might make the world go 'round, but not tit for tat public disclosure. As I understand these documents, they don't just say, "Hey world, it's true that Israel has nukes!" They say, "Hey world, it's true Israel has nukes, and here's all the secret plans and blueprints for 'em!"

    I'm not a huge Obama fan, but I've never gone out of my way to insult him and always hope that his actions will be best for the country. This monumental act of stupid struck me like a fist to the face. It looks petulant and punitive given the timing, and no American hopes that the world will view their president as petulant and punitive.

    I'm disappointed that he did this, and that's putting it mildly.
    There is nothing to suggest we declassified any information about Israel's nuclear program other than they have it and we knew they had it. Which is what everyone knew anyway and the fact we did not ever admit it only made us look like hypocrites. Israel over the years has been given over 120 Billion dollars in foreign aid from the United States. That is over $15,000 for every individual in the country paid for by U.S. taxpayers and in return their government insults our president, undermines negotiations and spies on us. Moreover, we hardly get anything for it. It is not like they sit on a bunch of oil or anything. Look, we own them, if they don't like that, then get off the U.S. taxpayers dime. Personally I don't take money as a handout from anyone because I don't want anyone owning me, but if I did, I sure as hell would not insult them later. I just think the country's government obviously needs to be put in its place a little bit, and I see no problem with doing it.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    The Jewish community typically votes Democrat...am I right?

    I was also under the impression they gave a lot of money to the Democrat party...is that right?


    Will these action by the president lead to a fundamental change in how the Jewish community votes?
    No because the Jewish community mostly votes Democrat because they are mostly liberal. In fact, even Israel is a very liberal country in terms of its welfare state. Moreover, not that many American Jews have the same views about Israel that the fundamentalist base of the Republican Party has.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    None of that is an answer. We have this childish, vindictive president that is screwing up everything he touches, while Netanyahu has to be the grown up and lead him around. Except Obama is slow on the up take and still doesn't know what time it is. So, the world burns as we wait for this guy to get a clue, or just go away.
    Don't grown ups typically pay their own way in life? Perhaps if Bibi wants to be a grown up he could start by not coming here cup in hand all the time wanting more U.S. taxpayer money.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    No because the Jewish community mostly votes Democrat because they are mostly liberal. In fact, even Israel is a very liberal country in terms of its welfare state. Moreover, not that many American Jews have the same views about Israel that the fundamentalist base of the Republican Party has.
    I don't have a pulse on the Jewish community, but if I were Jewish and I was watching my homeland get thrown under the bus by my party, I would be disenfranchised. Just my $0.02.
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