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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    43 nations to seek Middle East free of WMDs - World news - Europe | NBC News



    The older I get, the more I start to agree with Libertarians when it comes to ME. We should stay the **** away from that place. Not a single one of those countries is trustworthy.
    The US has contributed hugely to the destruction of the ME, on this the libertarian party agrees with me.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Does anyone really think that the rest of the world actually believed that Israel didn't have nuclear weapons because of the lack of official corroboration? I'm sure a lot of people didn't even know it was supposed to be a secret.
    We released TS information about their program, that's the problem. The semi-recognized existence of Israeli nukes is a separate issue to the fact that we have just demonstrated we are not trustworthy enough to share classified information with.




    Perhaps bringing it down a level. I am pretty sure that you have a social security number, a bank account number, and a routing number associated with that account. In fact, probably most of us are sure that you have these things.

    But If I were a trusted member of your family, or friend, and I used that trust to get that information and then used it to either steal your identity or sell it so that others could do so, you'd still be pretty pissed, wouldn't you? You wouldn't respond "oh well, everyone already knew I had a bank account....". You'd be pissed at the loss, and you'd be pissed that I'd violated your trust. And you wouldn't trust me the next time I asked if I could borrow your credit card, either.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Considering the freak in Israel, it's quite deserved!
    Wow

    You're so wrapped up in Israeli hate you can't even offer up a intelligent reply.

    Doing this doesn't hurt Bibi, it threatens the Security of ALL ISRAELI citizens, even left wing progressive and Arabs.

    How " Presidential ". Obama basically telling all US allies that their state secrets are safe with him as long as they dont piss him off.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US has contributed hugely to the destruction of the ME, on this the libertarian party agrees with me.
    Yep, Iraq went from its Citizens being able to participate in a Democratic process for the first time in decades to a Country thats being overrun by murderous Islamo-fascist.

    Obama's political decision to remove all remnants of American militarily assets did contribute to the destruction of the ME.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Wow

    You're so wrapped up in Israeli hate you can't even offer up a intelligent reply.

    Doing this doesn't hurt Bibi, it threatens the Security of ALL ISRAELI citizens, even left wing progressive and Arabs.

    How " Presidential ". Obama basically telling all US allies that their state secrets are safe with him as long as they dont piss him off.
    Fenton, considering you skipped my post because it doesn't fit your woe-is-Israel narrative: Would this information have made us look less hypocritical if it was obtained through other means? We've had 28 years to come clean about this. That's 28 years of Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and now Obama where we could have avoided NOT loosing serious leverage by simply applying the SAME standard to every Middle Eastern country.

    If nothing else Israel put itself in danger by advocating that a standard be applied to everyone EXCEPT itself for the past 28 years. That you continue to ignore this so you can accuse people of hating Israel and blame Obama makes your understanding of global politics seem ABSURD.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    This was a horribly unwise decision on Obama's part. Horribly. I'm... gobsmacked that he would do anything that he clearly must know will have massive global reverberations, not to mention showing the rest of our allies that we'll only keep their secrets as long as they vote for people we approve of. I mean, oy vey!!
    You make a very good point here. Why would any of our allies now entrust us with anything secrete of theirs after this?
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Fenton, considering you skipped my post because it doesn't fit your woe-is-Israel narrative: Would this information have made us look less hypocritical if it was obtained through other means? We've had 28 years to come clean about this. That's 28 years of Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and now Obama where we could have avoided NOT loosing serious leverage by simply applying the SAME standard to every Middle Eastern country.

    If nothing else Israel put itself in danger by advocating that a standard be applied to everyone EXCEPT itself for the past 28 years. That you continue to ignore this so you can accuse people of hating Israel and blame Obama makes your understanding of global politics seem ABSURD.
    Give me one good reason for doing this.

    And of-course I blame Obama. He's the President and this happened under his administration.

    He made the decision to disclose decades old secrets and his decision wasn't based on anything other than spite.

    He's supposed to be a Leader, but this latest decision just shows how superficial and petty of a individual he is.

    It should embarrass the hell out of any American and especially his supporters.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The US has contributed hugely to the destruction of the ME, on this the libertarian party agrees with me.
    It seems Ron Paul agrees with you (as do I):

    'Clearly, the world would be a better place today with Saddam Hussein still in power. The only workable way to bring democracy and liberty to the Middle East is through persuasion, not violence.'

    He discusses it at 4:35 of the video.

    http://www.ronpaul.com/2015-03-11/ro...till-in-power/

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    How is it going to have massive global reverberations? Everyone on earth already knew that Israel had nuclear weapons. This was declassified before the Israeli election. Moreover what is Israel doing for us other than taking our money as historically the world's largest recipient of US foreign aid?

    I don't know whose side the right wingers on here are on. Maybe if they stopped blowing Bibi for a minute they could tell us, but I am on team USA. So when a country spies on us, has a huge lobby that does nothing but try to get more of our taxpayer money out of us, and then has the nerve to give a big F*** You to our president (regardless of who the president is) despite the fact that he comes here cup in hand wanting our money every chance they get, then I really don't care if they get their feelings hurt when we tell the world what everyone in the world already knew.
    I'm very pro-Israel, but can't stand Netanyahu. That isn't the point. The point is that we have deliberately and publicly betrayed an ally because it's president dissed our president. Tit for tat might make the world go 'round, but not tit for tat public disclosure. As I understand these documents, they don't just say, "Hey world, it's true that Israel has nukes!" They say, "Hey world, it's true Israel has nukes, and here's all the secret plans and blueprints for 'em!"

    I'm not a huge Obama fan, but I've never gone out of my way to insult him and always hope that his actions will be best for the country. This monumental act of stupid struck me like a fist to the face. It looks petulant and punitive given the timing, and no American hopes that the world will view their president as petulant and punitive.

    I'm disappointed that he did this, and that's putting it mildly.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    ...yeah. because when I look at the other Baathist regime in the region (Syria), I just see a bastion of peace and stability...

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