Page 32 of 33 FirstFirst ... 2230313233 LastLast
Results 311 to 320 of 330

Thread: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

  1. #311
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Chicago Illinois
    Last Seen
    10-14-15 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    56,981

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there is only ONE solution to this current arms race: compel israel to relinquish its nuclear weapons arsenal

    then no party in the region will have - or need - one to accomplish military parity
    How would that work again.....as then it would just be Israel without any means of protection. While Iran and the Saud who would continue on with the Sectarian Conflict. Which then leaves both Sunni and Shia still going for nukes.

    You would like that huh.....everyone else in the ME to have Nukes and Chems and Israel to have nothing, Right? I mean just think once Israel is gone and out of the way.

    Then you might actually have to blame those who were the root of most of the problems in that region.....huh?

  2. #312
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Chicago Illinois
    Last Seen
    10-14-15 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    56,981

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Wonder if Russia will offer a reactor to Venezuela. That would be interesting. I guess Obama would be fine with that.
    Nah, Putin offered Nicaragua some Mig29's.....he knew that was enough to destabilize that region.

  3. #313
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    8,351

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    there is only ONE solution to this current arms race: compel israel to relinquish its nuclear weapons arsenal

    then no party in the region will have - or need - one to accomplish military parity
    Wouldn't it be easier to achieve your goals if you compelled them to give up their Iron Dome defense of the missiles Iran sends to Hamas and Hezballoh?

  4. #314
    Sage

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:51 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    8,351

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Nah, Putin offered Nicaragua some Mig29's.....he knew that was enough to destabilize that region.
    Well Obama does not care if their are nuclear bombs in Iran why would he care if they were in Latin America?

  5. #315
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,132

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    How would that work again.....as then it would just be Israel without any means of protection. While Iran and the Saud who would continue on with the Sectarian Conflict. Which then leaves both Sunni and Shia still going for nukes.

    You would like that huh.....everyone else in the ME to have Nukes and Chems and Israel to have nothing, Right? I mean just think once Israel is gone and out of the way.

    Then you might actually have to blame those who were the root of most of the problems in that region.....huh?
    your suggestion that israel would be without adequate protection is bogus
    it has the most dynamic, effective defense system in the entire region
    pretense that it is now not much stronger than its neighbors than it was at the time of its regional victories in '67 and '73 is laughable

    nuclear weapons are offensive devices
    not defensive ones
    which is why the world that created a nation for the jewish people should now compel that nation to relinquish its nuclear arsenal
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  6. #316
    Left the building
    Fearandloathing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Vancouver, Canada Dual citizen
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,392

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    1. When I quoted the foreign aid number, I prefaced it with: "Israel over the years has been given over 120 Billion dollars in foreign aid from the United States". The over the years part makes its clear I am not talking about just 1 year.

    2. The insult to our president was Bibi violating protocol.

    3. Bibi was far from 100% correct considering he made statements that were not even supported by his own country's intelligence.

    https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2...-nuclear-bomb/


    One, there was no "protocol" breached. More than a few world leaders have addressed joint sessions of congress without a **** fit on the part of the adolescent president. Netyanhu himself spoke once before with Obama in office and the community organizer whimpered not a peep of complaint. No one complained the previous time to that. Obama simply went child again.

    Two whether he was accurate is not something Obama lemmings and Grubers should be raising...the president of the United States is on record as an habitual liar on several fronts from Obamacare, Keystone, Syria, Cuba, Canada, Libya and the entire middle east and likely still hasn't figured out his home state isn't in Asia.

    Credibility is not your strong suit. John the liar from SNL has more credibility than the entire Obama administration and every Gruber that voted for this madman.

    And I wouldn't be whining about insults with Obama around, we are after all debating Obama's having outed Israel's defenses and sent a two bit minion aide out to bash a respected world leader, that's insulting and chicken**** cowardice
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
    Donald Trump, 11/23/17

  7. #317
    Left the building
    Fearandloathing's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Vancouver, Canada Dual citizen
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:25 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,392

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    your suggestion that israel would be without adequate protection is bogus
    it has the most dynamic, effective defense system in the entire region
    pretense that it is now not much stronger than its neighbors than it was at the time of its regional victories in '67 and '73 is laughable

    nuclear weapons are offensive devices
    not defensive ones
    which is why the world that created a nation for the jewish people should now compel that nation to relinquish its nuclear arsenal


    Do you ever post anything accurate?

    Because of your community organizer Israel's defenses are weakened, the enemies to this state now know exactly where to attack to take out Israel's nukes.

    Two nuclear weapons are NOT an offensive weapon and have never been used as such. They are a deterrent weapon as in 'if you don't surrender we will use it again" as in Japan..

    and you may want to look up a thing called the "arms race"? It was all about mutual deterrent, as in what became known as mutually assured destruction.'


    It is constructive to the debate if you research areas other than Hollywood movies.

    And, don't be surprised if other countries start saying "**** off" when asked to play war....Obama has revealed state secrets of an ally. Whether you think they are still capable of defending themselves as well is irrelevant, you never fought in those wars and likely have never fought at all, but you are happy when your president draws an ally closer to war
    ""You know, when we sell to other countries, even if they're allies -- you never know about an ally. An ally can turn."
    Donald Trump, 11/23/17

  8. #318
    Banned
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Chicago Illinois
    Last Seen
    10-14-15 @ 09:28 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Private
    Posts
    56,981

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    your suggestion that israel would be without adequate protection is bogus
    it has the most dynamic, effective defense system in the entire region
    pretense that it is now not much stronger than its neighbors than it was at the time of its regional victories in '67 and '73 is laughable

    nuclear weapons are offensive devices
    not defensive ones
    which is why the world that created a nation for the jewish people should now compel that nation to relinquish its nuclear arsenal


    Your suggestion that the Sunnis and Shia Arabs wouldn't still go for nukes. Even if there was no Israel. Is not real and is an exercise in futility.

  9. #319
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,132

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Do you ever post anything accurate?
    in your personal world of make-believe, would you even recognize it?

    Because of your community organizer Israel's defenses are weakened, the enemies to this state now know exactly where to attack to take out Israel's nukes.
    you know so much about this, tell us the method and means that would be used to accomplish taking out israel's nuclear arsenal. but you must adequately respond with that information before your assertion could be taken seriously

    Two nuclear weapons are NOT an offensive weapon and have never been used as such.
    we were defending the USA at nagasaki and hiroshima? thought you were a former reporter; should you not then be able to distinguish between fact and fiction? then start displaying that capacity

    They are a deterrent weapon as in 'if you don't surrender we will use it again" as in Japan..
    notice, it did not work the first time; we had to drop a second one ... and NOT in self defense

    and also notice that it is a weapon used by the offense. like having a handgun in a knife fight. there is no parity. and all nations need parity in order to defend themselves
    israel's possession of a nuclear arsenal is what allows itself to bomb other sovereign nations - unprovoked and with impunity
    the only way nuclear weapons can be thought of as defensive weapons is if the other side has one, too. then the belief in mutually assured destruction is what prevents those nuclear weapons holders to forgo any attempt to use their devices in an offensive manner

    and you may want to look up a thing called the "arms race"? It was all about mutual deterrent, as in what became known as mutually assured destruction.'
    and if israel did not have its own nuclear arsenal, then iran would not need the capability to develop its own in response. which is the very reason i suggested the elimination of israel's nuclear arsenal would be THE solution to the current middle east arms race

    It is constructive to the debate if you research areas other than Hollywood movies.
    share with us what movie research you are speaking about and how you came to know this. or is this just more posting out of one's ass ... not a favorable methodology for a self proclaimed journalist

    And, don't be surprised if other countries start saying "**** off" when asked to play war....Obama has revealed state secrets of an ally.
    then having other countries agree not to participate in senseless war would be a good thing. only wish they would have had such good sense during dicknbush's watch

    Whether you think they are still capable of defending themselves as well is irrelevant,
    IRRELEVANT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
    that is THE essence of the issue. would israel still be able to defend itself once iran acquires a nuclear arsenal? absolutely. it has the most formidable conventional military in the middle east. by a long shot. there is NO question about its continuing self defense capacity. and beyond that, they have the umbrella of the USA ... excepting any self inflicted wounds, such as igniting a pointless war with iran. we should never defend stupid

    you never fought in those wars and likely have never fought at all,
    for a supposed journalist, you certainly jump to a bunch of very wrong conclusions

    ... but you are happy when your president draws an ally closer to war
    any war fought by israel would be self inflicted
    i get it
    israel likes being able to bomb other nations without recourse
    but that is not something it has a right to ... or should expect to have a right to
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

  10. #320
    long standing member
    justabubba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:50 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,132

    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Your suggestion that the Sunnis and Shia Arabs wouldn't still go for nukes. Even if there was no Israel. Is not real and is an exercise in futility.
    i am asserting that the motivation for iran to seek nuclear weapons is to establish military parity with the foremost state bully in the region: israel
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

Page 32 of 33 FirstFirst ... 2230313233 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •