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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by leoborn View Post
    Including many military top brass, who know what they are talking about. Is there no legal way to stop him from doing what he wants to do in any and all situations...which the Supreme Court has ruled is overreach of his authority?
    You would need to have the Supremes rule that way EVERY time he overreaches. Obama doesn't care if they rule against him in any specific instance...he'll just do it again with another issue. The only way to stop him from doing this stuff is to get him out of Office and that will never happen.

    It sucks, but we are stuck with him till the end of 2016.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    So do you really think Israel would or should let a muslim appeasing weasel like Obama negotiate the future of Israel without demanding to know the terms of the negotiation? Is that the rational thought-process of the standard liberal??
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You either didn't read what I wrote or you ignored it. Lets try rephrasing.

    Do you think that it is possible for the parties in a treaty that are allowed to make changes, even temp changes, to vote to suspend parts or even all of a treaty?
    When you find that the US, Britain and France voted to suspect any part of the NPT, you'll have a point.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    How exactly did Israel backstab us btw?
    No one said that.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    You would need to have the Supremes rule that way EVERY time he overreaches. Obama doesn't care if they rule against him in any specific instance...he'll just do it again with another issue. The only way to stop him from doing this stuff is to get him out of Office and that will never happen.

    It sucks, but we are stuck with him till the end of 2016.


    Well MC. We could first grab him up by back of his shirt collar drag his ass in front of Congress.....remember now he can't stand physical violence. So this will cause him to tremble visibly with the shakes.

    Then we deposit him on the Center of the House Floor.....on his knees. Then Censure and humiliate his ass publicly.

    Now we could do that and there is nothing he could do about it.....but you know it wont happen. Since the Repubs have no spine. Plus those Sell-out New democrats that Put BO before Party, People, and this Country will do all to prevent their man from getting whats coming to him.

    We should at least try.....this way we can manipulate those of the left that ate some Wheaties to come out from hiding. Just sayin!

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Many in his own country were against him coming here so close to the election and addressing congress without being invited by the President. Moreover, you are making an absurd comparison in comparing foreign aid to the costs of war and occupation.
    IOW, he still did Not "insult" the President. His first few statements were all in Praise/thx of Obama.
    "Moreover" and again, I put the numbers in perspective, you Disingenuously totaled 67 Years (without saying it was) to the make it look bigger. (Along with per-Israeli-citizen)

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat
    Mind you, the war in Iraq was heavily lobbied for by the Israeli lobby here in the United States.
    Ahh a New gratuitous charge.
    And Not really.
    The Neocons, who supported the War in the name of spreading democracy, also support Israel.
    see:
    Don't Blame the Iraq Debacle on the Israel Lobby - FPIF
    and
    Wiki:
    "Whether AIPAC lobbied for the war in Iraq is Disputed. Congressman Jim Moran has stated that AIPAC had been "pushing the [Iraq War] from the beginning".[31] However, according to the Jewish News, AIPAC never supported or lobbied for the war in Iraq.[32] According to a columnist in the Washington Post, "Once it was clear that the Bush administration was determined to go to war [in Iraq], AIPAC cheered from the SIDELINES" [21]
    and:
    Sharon and others had Correctly/Consistently said at the time, even THEN, Iran was a bigger threat.
    Iraq war | Martin Kramer on the Middle East
    "....In doing so, they [Mearsheiemr/Walt] miss (or conceal) the Real story.
    Israel did worry in the lead-up to the war—not about “cold feet,” but about the “long pause.” A year before the Iraq war, Natan Sharansky, then an Israeli cabinet minister, went on the record with this quote (missed by Mearsheimer and Walt):
    “We and the Americans have different priorities. For us, Iran comes first and then Iraq. The Americans see Iraq, then a long pause, and only then Iran.” It never occurred to Israelis that Bush would get “cold feet” on Iraq, but they fretted endlessly over just how long the “long pause” would last, and they had good reason...

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat
    As I said earlier, I don't take handouts from anyone, friends, family, anyone, because I don't want anyone owning me. If Bibi wants to insult the president, undermine our foreign policy and negotiations, and spy on us, then fine, just don't ask for our money.
    As I said, he was grateful in his speech, but this issue - Iran Nukes - is Life and death to Israel.


    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat
    This is what kills me. The right wingers on here venerate and quote the Founding Fathers as though they were gods. Does anyone think that George Washington or any of our early leaders or founders would be cool with a foreign government having a powerful and well funded lobby in the United States that did nothing but try to influence our policy and get money out of us, and for that same government then to insult our president and undermine our foreign policy and negotiations with other countries? I would put a paycheck on them not being too cool with that one, but that is exactly the kind of crap the right wingers are on here vehemently defending.
    As I've said previously, I was against Netanyahu coming and speaking. It was a violation of protocol/s in my book.
    But he gave an excellent and well-reasoned speech that, also again, was a once in a generation life-and-death issue for his country.

    I might add, he was also 100% correct. Obama was clearly going to fold, make a toothless agreement-for-agreements sake.
    If anything came of the speech, it made that more difficult, and moved the negotiation in the USA/West's favor as they could now say "you know we can't do that, the whole world, knows that's BS".
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well MC. We could first grab him up by back of his shirt collar drag his ass in front of Congress.....remember now he can't stand physical violence. So this will cause him to tremble visibly with the shakes.

    Then we deposit him on the Center of the House Floor.....on his knees. Then Censure and humiliate his ass publicly.

    Now we could do that and there is nothing he could do about it.....but you know it wont happen. Since the Repubs have no spine. Plus those Sell-out New democrats that Put BO before Party, People, and this Country will do all to prevent their man from getting whats coming to him.

    We should at least try.....this way we can manipulate those of the left that ate some Wheaties to come out from hiding. Just sayin!
    What kind of fever dream is this? Seriously?

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    What kind of fever dream is this? Seriously?
    Yeah it would be nice for him to experience first hand.....and that is seriously speaking. Still even now.....the Repubs wont even make a call for censure. They have no spine.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Yeah it would be nice for him to experience first hand.....and that is seriously speaking. Still even now.....the Repubs wont even make a call for censure. They have no spine.
    Why would they waste the countries time with a censure motion for the President?

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Sherman123 View Post
    Why would they waste the countries time with a censure motion for the President?
    Well, when one is projecting a policy of incoherency and when one has increased the risk of harm to our people, our interests, and our National Security.

    Then it is not a waste of time noting it.....for the record. While allowing BO to absorb that impact.

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