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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I can't really disagree beyond the fact that my understanding was that the declassified documents contained a great deal of what was once Top Secret information on Israel's complete nuclear program. Other than that, I pretty much agree with you that they take our money then spy on us and stab us in the back when convenient. That hasn't always been the case, but it is the case with the Israeli government under Netanyahu and probably a few others along the way.

    We just should not have done this, if for no other reason than the message it sends to the rest of our allies: We'll keep your secrets... if we feel like it and you make nice with us.
    In your personal life, do you keep secrets for people who backstab you when it's convenient? I sure as **** don't. To hell with all these fair weather friends. We should have gotten rid of Pakistan in the 00s and we should be dumping Israel today.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In your personal life, do you keep secrets for people who backstab you when it's convenient? I sure as **** don't. To hell with all these fair weather friends. We should have gotten rid of Pakistan in the 00s and we should be dumping Israel today.
    You could be right. However, it really is in the US's best interest to keep Israel as an ally in the region, and I feel strongly that if this is how the world sees us dump our allies, we won't have any at all because we've proven to be fickle and untrustworthy.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

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    Oh for ****s sake, it's the first ****ing article of the NPT:

    NPT Treaty
    You either didn't read what I wrote or you ignored it. Lets try rephrasing.

    Do you think that it is possible for the parties in a treaty that are allowed to make changes, even temp changes, to vote to suspend parts or even all of a treaty?
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I can't really disagree beyond the fact that my understanding was that the declassified documents contained a great deal of what was once Top Secret information on Israel's complete nuclear program. Other than that, I pretty much agree with you that they take our money then spy on us and stab us in the back when convenient. That hasn't always been the case, but it is the case with the Israeli government under Netanyahu and probably a few others along the way.

    We just should not have done this, if for no other reason than the message it sends to the rest of our allies: We'll keep your secrets... if we feel like it and you make nice with us.
    I think the actual message it sends is that if you want to **** with us, well, we can **** with you right back. I also think that is a message that should be sent. If foreign powers want to mess with partisan politics in the US, they can expect to get burned. Don't want to get burned, don't get involved in partisan US politics.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    That's not what Mossad said. It said it wasn't performing the activities required for it.
    It is what it said, it said it isn't performing the activities required for nuclear weapons referring to the second phase. The first phase is where Iran currently is, and that is enriching materials that could be used for general purposes such as a civilian energy program. If Iran was in the second phase and there was evidence backing it we'd already be in a war right now.
    You seriously believe Mossad would contradict itself in a public report to SA regarding Iran's willingness to achieve nuclear weapons, it's absurd.

    France was one of the recognized powers of the NPT. Good grief, the fact that the US has kept its secret for so long while Israel gathers the weapons is the proof. It's like you being fully that your neighbor killed someone, and keeping their secret because you're good friends. Are you f'n serious?
    It's the third time you've refused to supply reference to an American, French or British aid to the Israeli nuclear program from the report. That the US kept silence over an Israeli nuclear program is not a violation of the NPT treaty and you are, as usual it seems, not making any sense. You have nothing, not on Israel being hypocritical and not on America aiding Israel. What a waste of bandwidth.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think the actual message it sends is that if you want to **** with us, well, we can **** with you right back. I also think that is a message that should be sent. If foreign powers want to mess with partisan politics in the US, they can expect to get burned. Don't want to get burned, don't get involved in partisan US politics.
    I honestly hope that is exactly the message the world received. I really hope that I'm wrong.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    You could be right. However, it really is in the US's best interest to keep Israel as an ally in the region, and I feel strongly that if this is how the world sees us dump our allies, we won't have any at all because we've proven to be fickle and untrustworthy.
    Do you really think Israel will turn it's back on the US? Of course not, they cannot afford to.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you really think Israel will turn it's back on the US? Of course not, they cannot afford to.
    Oh, I don't care if Israel turns its back on us; they need us more than we need them. I just concerned about what the rest of our allies will read into what was done. I hope you are right and I am wrong.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    In your personal life, do you keep secrets for people who backstab you when it's convenient? I sure as **** don't. To hell with all these fair weather friends. We should have gotten rid of Pakistan in the 00s and we should be dumping Israel today.
    How exactly did Israel backstab us btw?
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Do you really think Israel will turn it's back on the US? Of course not, they cannot afford to.
    Regardless of who is right and who is wrong in 2017 relations will be fully restored between Israel and the US, so I don't see any change on Israel's side.
    As I said in another thread the Israeli-American relations are based on the sole fact that these are two states that share both their values and their geopolitical interests, and as such it's impossible for them to be in bad relations. What we're seeing is merely a personal fight between Obama and Netanyahu that Obama had long been taking out on the state of Israel itself and probably would only escalate it after the Israelis have reelected Netanyahu despite his meddling in the Israeli elections, up until his term comes to an end.
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