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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    The Mossad said nothing in the SA "leak" (which wasn't a leak at all since the document was public)
    Leaked cables show Netanyahu

    But in a secret report shared with South Africa a few weeks later, Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”. The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel’s military and intelligence establishment.
    We know, we know.

    You were already notified that you don't need to be signed on an agreement to demand that someone who is signed on it will be held to its restrictions.
    And it's utter nonsense. Of course you do. Specially, if you've been getting other members of the NPT to violate the treaty.

    Play it however you'd like to Iran calls for Israel's destruction and acts against its soldiers, civilians and interests through the use of proxy terror organizations, not the other way around. Your claims that Israel wants to gain something from the Iranian issue other than not having a nuclear Iran, saying that it's only objecting to a nuclear Iran so it can "do whatever it wants" (what that might be I have no damned idea) are simply delusional.
    Utter nonsense. Of course it is. Israel has been getting other countries to violate the NPT and hiding behind "they want to kill us!" to do so. That's doing whatever it wants on the matter. It's absolutely disgusting.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It's obvious you don't even know that the US has been sharing nuclear technology (in violation of the NPT) for years, and that France shared technology with them (once again in violation of the NPT) and Britain has shared materials with Israel once again in violation of the NPT. For you to stand there and now state that it didn't turn a blind eye to Israel's actions when it was clearly violating the NPT itself is absurdly dishonest. Falling back on the usual nonsense of "they want to destroy Israel" won't help you look less hypocritical.
    Was it done in violation? Or was that part temporarily suspended by a vote that could have taken place and we know nothing about? Parts of a treaty can be suspended if the responsible parties that are allowed to make changes vote to do so.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Leaked cables show Netanyahu



    We know, we know.



    And it's utter nonsense. Of course you do. Specially, if you've been getting other members of the NPT to violate the treaty.



    Utter nonsense. Of course it is. Israel has been getting other countries to violate the NPT and hiding behind "they want to kill us!" to do so. That's doing whatever it wants on the matter. It's absolutely disgusting.
    Well they DO have a point...

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Who's delusional ?
    After being unable to back up your bull**** that I defended Obama, you went and looked for a link to attack me on something else because you only select the parts you want:

    April 6, 2013 - EU High Representative Catherine Ashton says that after two days of negotiations between Iran and the six world powers (the United States, France, Britain, Germany, China and Russia), the two sides "remain far apart" on Tehran's controversial nuclear program.

    April 9, 2013 - State-run TV reports that Iran opened a uranium-processing facility as well as a uranium mine in the central province of Yazd, to mark "National Nuclear Day."

    September 24, 2013 - At a speech at the U.N. General Assembly Iranian President Rouhani says "Nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction have no place in Iran's security and defense doctrine, and contradict our fundamental religious and ethical convictions."

    October 16, 2013 - The latest discussions between Iran and the six world powers center on a proposal put forth by Iran to recognize the peaceful nature of its nuclear energy pursuits. The meeting is described as "substantive and forward-looking."

    November 24, 2013 - Six world powers and Iran reach an agreement over Iran's nuclear program. The deal calls on Iran to limit its nuclear activities in return for lighter sanctions.

    January 12, 2014 - It is announced that Iran will begin eliminating some of its uranium stockpile on January 20.

    January 20, 2014 - Iran's nuclear spokesman Behrouz Kamalvandi tells state-run news agency IRNA that Iran has started suspending high levels of uranium enrichment.

    January 20, 2014 - The European Union announces that it has suspended certain sanctions against Iran for six months. The move is part of a deal in which Iran has agreed to suspend high levels of uranium enrichment.

    February 20, 2014 - Following talks in Vienna, EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif announce that a deal on the framework for comprehensive negotiations over Tehran's nuclear program has been reached.

    January 7, 2015 - The European Union announces that Iran, the United States, Britain, China, Russia, France and Germany will meet in Geneva to discuss Tehran's nuclear program on January 18, 2015.
    But hey, why stop there:

    Reports: Netanyahu, spy agency at odds over Iran - CNN.com

    "Bottom line: Though Iran at this stage is not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons, it is working to close gaps in areas that appear legitimate such as enrichment, reactors, which will produce the time required to produce weapons from the time the instruction is actually given."
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Leaked cables show Netanyahu

    We know, we know.
    Yeah, and the guardian was misleading, which is why you should have read the article I've linked to but clearly you won't let the facts get in your way.
    Mossad was saying in the report to South Africa, which wasn't a "secret" as the guardian misled but a public report, that Iran hasn't reached the stage of developing the actual weapons since intelligence reports show it hasn't begun the activities that are required for that. So far it has only managed to enrich materials and do whatever necessary for it to have the ability to begin such construction. That's also what Netanyahu is saying by the way, so to claim there's a contradiction here is ignorance at best.

    And it's utter nonsense. Of course you do. Specially, if you've been getting other members of the NPT to violate the treaty.
    The US is not in violation of the treaty for not revealing Israel's nuclear program. That's ridiculous.
    And again there is no hypocrisy, your argument holds no water.

    Utter nonsense. Of course it is. Israel has been getting other countries to violate the NPT and hiding behind "they want to kill us!" to do so. That's doing whatever it wants on the matter. It's absolutely disgusting.
    I strongly agree, it's absolutely disgusting that you're insulting people's intelligence by claiming that Iran is only after peaceful nuclear energy.
    And as disgusting as it is it's even more absurd if you actually believe that.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Was it done in violation? Or was that part temporarily suspended by a vote that could have taken place and we know nothing about? Parts of a treaty can be suspended if the responsible parties that are allowed to make changes vote to do so.
    Oh for ****s sake, it's the first ****ing article of the NPT:

    NPT Treaty

    Quote Originally Posted by NPT Treaty; Article I
    Each nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes not to transfer to any recipient whatsoever nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices or control over such weapons or explosive devices directly, or indirectly; and not in any way to assist, encourage, or induce any non-nuclear-weapon State to manufacture or otherwise acquire nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices, or control over such weapons or explosive devices.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Yeah, and the guardian was misleading, which is why you should have read the article I've linked to but clearly you won't let the facts get in your way.
    There was no misleading. You just didn't like what was said so you cited your own little article from Israel on the matter.

    Mossad was saying in the report to South Africa, which wasn't a "secret" as the guardian misled but a public report, that Iran hasn't reached the stage of developing the actual weapons since intelligence reports show it hasn't begun the activities that are required for that.
    Ummm, what they actually said was that Iran wasn't performing the activities to have a nuclear weapon. That has nothing to do with reaching a stage.

    So far it has only managed to enrich materials and do whatever necessary for it to have the ability to begin such construction. That's also what Netanyahu is saying by the way, so to claim there's a contradiction here is ignorance at best.
    Ummm considering Netanyahu is claiming that Iran is a year away from the bomb, that's patently absurd.

    The US is not in violation of the treaty for not revealing Israel's nuclear program. That's ridiculous.
    And again there is no hypocrisy, your argument holds no water.
    Good grief, get a ****ing clue the US has been sharing technology with Israel. Britain and France have done the same. They're the ones in violation of the NPT.

    I strongly agree, it's absolutely disgusting that you're insulting people's intelligence by claiming that Iran is only after peaceful nuclear energy.
    And as disgusting as it is it's even more absurd if you actually believe that.
    Considering that it's clear that you're opposed any nuclear Iran, because of your paranoia about being killed, I'll take that with a grain of salt.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Oh for ****s sake, it's the first ****ing article of the NPT:

    NPT Treaty
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Honest question: Do you know what induce means?
    Of course I do. Do you know what ANY RECIPIENT means? What about ASSIST?
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    There was no misleading. You just didn't like what was said so you cited your own little article from Israel on the matter.
    An article that contradicts the claims being made in the guardian's article, yes, and I've also contradicted the claims myself.
    That you believe the Mossad would simply state in a public report to South Africa, yes South Africa which Israel basically maintains minimal relations with, that Iran doesn't go after nuclear weapons goes to show how ridiculously ignorant your point of view is and how you are reaching the delusional conclusions that you are reaching here.

    Here's another article that shows how ridiculously misleading the guardian and al Jazeera (both being anti-Israeli agenda holding news outlets) were in their claim that the Mossad is contradicting the Israeli government;

    Sorry, Al Jazeera: A Leaked Mossad Cable Doesn

    Do read it, your avoidance from learning facts is the main reason for your delusional conclusions.

    Ummm, what they actually said was that Iran wasn't performing the activities to have a nuclear weapon. That has nothing to do with reaching a stage.
    And if it isn't performing the activities necessary to produce a nuclear weapon yet, does it suddenly mean that it's not working towards getting there? Obviously not.

    Ummm considering Netanyahu is claiming that Iran is a year away from the bomb, that's patently absurd.
    Now that's the dumbest remark so far. You can build the actual nuclear weapon, once you have the required amount of enriched materials, within far less than a year.

    Good grief, get a ****ing clue the US has been sharing technology with Israel. Britain and France have done the same. They're the ones in violation of the NPT.
    And where is it stated that the US had helped Israel gain nuclear weapons? And you do realize that France had only signed the NPT in 1992, so you can't really violate a treaty you weren't even signed on at the time, right? Because it doesn't look so.

    Considering that it's clear that you're opposed any nuclear Iran, because of your paranoia about being killed, I'll take that with a grain of salt.
    What does it have to do with me, exactly?
    Did I make note of the fact that you promote a nuclear Iran, or did I discuss your (delusional) remarks such as the hilarious remark that Iran is after nuclear energy for "peaceful reasons"?
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