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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    To the bolded, second paragraph. That's the problem, that needn't be, but you're incapable of recognizing the decades of US policy that has hurt that nation.
    Great, well thought out response... not. So you've got nothing. You've backed up your claims with nothing. Again, we should support our president no matter what, as he leads us down a ruinous path? We should negotiate with a terrorist nation, that lies about their nuclear program, that wants nukes and ICBMs, and have voiced their intention to use them. Back that one up too.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Anthony60 View Post
    Great, well thought out response... not. So you've got nothing. You've backed up your claims with nothing. Again, we should support our president no matter what, as he leads us down a ruinous path? We should negotiate with a terrorist nation, that lies about their nuclear program, that wants nukes and ICBMs, and have voiced their intention to use them. Back that one up too.
    Try being honest for one time. I've been highly critical of Obama policies in the region, how many times have I pointed out the mistakes of removing Mubarak, Gaddafi and Assad? On the issue of Iran, and their nuclear program in particular, I support what he's doing, obviously so long as it works. And at this point neither he or the rest of us know if it will. But diplomacy is preferred to the McCain/Netanyahu position.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, we are being slightly more even handed with them yet still sending them billions a year. Cry me a river...
    They should be our prostitute because we send them money.

    Even handed...that isn't even close to correct.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    They should be our prostitute because we send them money.

    Even handed...that isn't even close to correct.
    Yes, that is whole point of foreign aid. We provide foreign aid for 2 reasons:

    1. Disaster relief.

    Or.

    2. To get what we want.

    We fully support Israel at the U.N., provide them with all sorts of military aid, and have their back should they be attacked. Just because we are not willing to start yet another war for them and protentially expend thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars for a war in Iran does not mean that all of a sudden we are treating the country like ****.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lets see....

    He backed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

    He created a huge Power vacuum by pulling all American Military assets out of Iraq which ffacilitiesated ISILs mumurderous campaign.

    He did the same thing in Lybia. He traded 5 Terrorist for a Deserter and had his underlings perpetuate false narratives about Bergdahl serving with " honor and distinction "

    He's currently teying to strike a deal with Iran that would allow them to eventually continue their nuclear weapons ambitions.

    His administration stuck their nose into UMass's decision to NOT allow Iranian Nationals into any courses that would teach them Nuclear science.

    UMass of-course had to change their admissions restrictions.

    He iInterjected himself on a unprecedented scale into the Israeli elections and NOW he's revealed their Nuclear capabilities.

    His State Department took Hamas off the Terrorist list.

    I'm seeing a pattern here. Thats he's not a bumbling fool, but doing these things on purpose in a attempt to undermine the Security of one of our Allies.

    And he's doing it KNOWING that his Foreign Policy decisions are going to lead to more violence.

    This seems dangerous to me. A President that seeks to create more chaos instead of Security
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Sorry, but a policy our country has had since the 80's is just as important today as it was then and changing that policy is not "routine". Add to that the fact that Obama doesn't do ANYTHING that doesn't help him politically and what we are left with is Obama thinking this is going to help him somehow. That "somehow" is the question and I have a few ideas...all of which have to do with Iran.

    1. He thinks this action will put him in good light with Iran so they will be inclined to negotiate. Heck, maybe Iran set this as a condition and he is complying.

    2. We know he doesn't like Israel's rhetoric, action and possible action concerning Iran. This could be a warning. Stop that stuff or we'll release even more information.

    3. It's possible Obama doesn't believe Iran can be prevented from gaining a bomb, has decided that it's better to join them if he can't fight them and what better way to join them than to release confirmation about Israel's nuclear program.

    Given Obama's past actions, I'm inclined to go with number 3...but either of the other two are entirely possible.
    I like #1 better, simply because Obama has been kissing Iran's ass since he came on scene. His early speeches leave little doubt that he is so desperately trying to stand out, to carve another notch in his belt of leaving a legacy of befriending the Iranian regime. Yes, the regime, because if he were remotely concerned about the Iranian people, he would have stepped in when he had the chance to support a change from within.
    And he does all that while disregarding the dangers coming from that regime, dangers that could have worldwide impact and put all of us in grave danger.
    Israel politics aside, Iran is the provocateur.

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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Lovebug View Post
    I like #1 better, simply because Obama has been kissing Iran's ass since he came on scene. His early speeches leave little doubt that he is so desperately trying to stand out, to carve another notch in his belt of leaving a legacy of befriending the Iranian regime. Yes, the regime, because if he were remotely concerned about the Iranian people, he would have stepped in when he had the chance to support a change from within.
    And he does all that while disregarding the dangers coming from that regime, dangers that could have worldwide impact and put all of us in grave danger.
    Israel politics aside, Iran is the provocateur.
    US interference in foreign countries internal affairs has done enough damage. Now your advocating that Obama should have injected US interference and influence in Iran's internal affairs. You may not yet realize it but some of the world is finished with US interference and hegemony, and they're pushing back.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, that is whole point of foreign aid. We provide foreign aid for 2 reasons:

    1. Disaster relief.

    Or.

    2. To get what we want.

    We fully support Israel at the U.N., provide them with all sorts of military aid, and have their back should they be attacked. Just because we are not willing to start yet another war for them and protentially expend thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars for a war in Iran does not mean that all of a sudden we are treating the country like ****.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Yes, that is whole point of foreign aid. We provide foreign aid for 2 reasons:

    1. Disaster relief.

    Or.

    2. To get what we want.

    We fully support Israel at the U.N., provide them with all sorts of military aid, and have their back should they be attacked. Just because we are not willing to start yet another war for them and protentially expend thousands of American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars for a war in Iran does not mean that all of a sudden we are treating the country like ****.
    Two things;

    A) Iran isn't just Israel's problem. Israel has the most to lose, but Iran is also the problem of France, the UK, Germany, Spain, Italy, Canada, Finland, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, etc. etc. etc. and yes of the United States of Death to America as well. So trying to present an hypothetical declaration of war on Iran as "going to war for Israel" isn't honest.

    B) The American foreign aid to Israel, which makes ~1% of Israel's GDP, does not somehow remove Israel's sovereignty as a state. America supports Israel militarily and diplomatically because the two nations share both values and geopolitical interests. The relations are clearly asymmetrical as one nation is the biggest empire on the planet while the other is a tiny nation of 8 million souls, but that doesn't mean that the US "doesn't get anything" from it as you've previously falsely claimed. Just to name one field, the Israeli-American cooperation in military research had seen a lot of successes and many of the systems that American soldiers use on the battlefield are the product of Israeli scientists, or have Israeli-added features in them. To conclude it's false to portray the Israeli-American relationship as something that isn't benefiting America, and if it was true there wouldn't be any relationship to begin with.
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    Re: US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    US interference in foreign countries internal affairs has done enough damage. Now your advocating that Obama should have injected US interference and influence in Iran's internal affairs. You may not yet realize it but some of the world is finished with US interference and hegemony, and they're pushing back.
    Didn't stop him from interfering in Egypt, Libya, Syria, or Yemen.

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