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Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

Guns aren't people.
Neither are hajibs or wedding rings, but boot a person out for wearing either and you're in hot water. Same. Exact. Thing.

You're quite free to go anywhere you want.
Well no, I'm not, if I can be removed for doing nothing harmful or illegal to anyone at all.

You can't bring a horse into a business either.
Which amendment covers horses?

Is that discrimination against pro-horse people? No. Just leave your guns and your horse at home. A person can't leave their race, gender, or sexuality at home.
If you're that paranoid of your customers then maybe you shouldn't be in business with the public in the first place.
 
This is fun to discuss, but it will never fly. Didn't Arizona try something like this, but the businesses, including the NFL beat up the Arizona governor so much she vetoed the bill.

Same thing will happen here. But this guy Pence will get points from the far right in the GOP, and that's all he's going for anyway.
 
No, this one will never die.

I know, a small number of racist democrats switched sides and somehow that means they all did.
 
This is fun to discuss, but it will never fly. Didn't Arizona try something like this, but the businesses, including the NFL beat up the Arizona governor so much she vetoed the bill.
Nope, it "flew" this morning. Pence signed it into law several hours ago.
 
I know, a small number of racist democrats switched sides and somehow that means they all did.

Southern Democrats.
 
Just saw this thread, a good friend of mine who lives in Fairmount Indiana, has medical insurance and happens to be gay was just refused service this morning at a physicians office. In his own words.
I went to the doctor this morning... I was wondering if they were gonna refuse to treat me... I shouldn't have to worry about that or even think about it, but it is a reality now.... apparently I am a second rate taxpaying citizen with less rights than I had yesterday.... thanks for nothing Governor Pence and the Republican Indiana Legislators.... you're a pathetic group of hypocrites
****ing disgusting.
 
What are the specific "rights, laws and [LOL!] freedoms" that permit you to compel service from a private hospital?

there are none, just like there are no laws forcing a baker to make cakes for gays, nor is that the discussion and thats exactly my point, thank you lol
 
Just saw this thread, a good friend of mine who lives in Fairmount Indiana, has medical insurance and happens to be gay was just refused service this morning at a physicians office. In his own words. ****ing disgusting.

that's just awful.
 
Just saw this thread, a good friend of mine who lives in Fairmount Indiana, has medical insurance and happens to be gay was just refused service this morning at a physicians office. In his own words. ****ing disgusting.

yep, and calling it disgusting is being nice . . . . .

gotta love knowing this will not last and in the path to fix this wrong something more permanent will be established. They can kick and scream all they want, equality is winning and these little temper tantrums and retaliation bills will be squashed in the end.
 
yep, and calling it disgusting is being nice . . . . .

gotta love knowing this will not last and in the path to fix this wrong something more permanent will be established. They can kick and scream all they want, equality is winning and these little temper tantrums and retaliation bills will be squashed in the end.

I don't think you know what the word equality means.
 
If a business owner is punished for running his business according to his personal beliefs, yes, it's discrimination, bigotry at its worst

If I rob a bank, is the government discriminating against me by arresting me? As a contributing member of society, you agree to live by the laws of that society or suffer the consequences of non-compliance. The municipal government grants you a business license with the understanding that you've read and understand the rules for operating a business in that jurisdiction. If you fail to comply with those rules of operation, you put yourself in a position where your license may be suspended or voided. The government didn't discriminate and put different rules in place for you that are not in place for anyone else. It is you, the owner of the business, who is deciding some rules don't apply to you, for whatever reason. If you take that position, you actively bring on the potential of regulated punishment, just like if you robbed a bank. Don't want to suffer the consequences, don't do the crime. And if you're incapable of controlling your actions, maybe stay away from banks and/or owning a business that sells to the public.

See how easy that is?
 
No one should be forced to sell anything to anyone. A free market is all about voluntary exchange.

For most businesses, the ones run by rational owners, the only color that matters is green.

If you run a business that caters to the public, then you ****ing cater to the public. If you want to discriminate, then open a private club, collect membership dues then you can exclude all the gays, blacks and midgets that you want.
 
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Can I get a witness?

I witness that your bigotry is not much different then the ones you condemn
 
I don't think you know what the word equality means.

From the posts I have read, he has a better grasp than many on this forum
 
Just as it is appropriate for one to choose a business with which one wishes, so should a business be able to choose its customers. While refusing to do business with gays is stupid business I stand on the side of the business to choose to conduct stupid business if it so wishes. While I think this is a stupid law it is less stupid than whatever law caused the government to decide with whom a business should conduct its business. If one stupid law counteracts another stupid law then I guess it is a zero sum.

The constitution is designed to limit the power of government and to protect the people from the government. It has no business messing with business so long as a business isn't cheating or hurting anyone. Refusing service to someone whether they are gay, green or aren't wearing shoes and a shirt, is a matter of choice and freedom. Those folks can find businesses that are less stupid. People should have the right to make stupid decisions if that is what they want to do. It is not the role of government to protect people from their own decisions so long as the decisions aren't otherwise hurtful to others.

That is what this Hoosier believes.

Why should your business benefit from the roads, sewer system, electricity grid, garbage pickup, etc. that a gay citizen paid taxes to provide his/her community if you're going to use that infrastructure to deny him/her access to your business? Should a gay citizen be able to decide, using your logic, that no religious bigots get to use the municipalities infrastructure to operate a business?
 
From the posts I have read, he has a better grasp than many on this forum

Then that doesn't speak very highly of many posters on this forum.
 
From what I am reading Pence might throw his hat into the GOP presidential hopeful ring. So this is probably a way for him to get on the good side of the religious right. Which will help him in the GOP primaries, but completely kills any chance of him winning the nomination. So in other words he's just another clown in the GOP clown car.
 
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