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So, a store could decide not to sell to blacks, or christians or disabled or vets?
Why not?
So, a store could decide not to sell to blacks, or christians or disabled or vets?
Yes indeed.I have to disagree with you here.
Do you also believe that private businesses should be allowed to exercise similar employment discrimination? It's the obvious extension/conclusion.
That's what cities and municipalities are doing now. They're telling people that if they don't operate their business in the way the city demands, even when doing so violates their consciences, they can't operate the business. Indiana and Mike Pence are avoiding that errorLikewise, do you believe that a city or municipality should be able to discriminate about who can operate a private business? How far down the slope do you want to slide?
I have to disagree with you here.
Do you also believe that private businesses should be allowed to exercise similar employment discrimination?
Likewise, do you believe that a city or municipality should be able to discriminate about who can operate a private business? How far down the slope do you want to slide?
Should hospitals refuse to treat gay people?
Let's keep the context. The topic is about whether business SHOULD do something. It's about whether they should be allowed to do itShould hospitals refuse to treat gay people?
Let's keep the context. The topic is about whether business SHOULD do something. It's about whether they should be allowed to do it
Yes indeed.
That's what cities and municipalities are doing now. They're telling people that if they don't operate their business in the way the city demands, even when doing so violates their consciences, they can't operate the business. Indiana and Mike Pence are avoiding that error
Healthcare is a service. A privately owned hospital is absolutely a business.
There are public hospitals.
This is where your ideology is so out of touch with reality.
That is exactly what is happening in America. If you want to run your business according to your Christian beliefs, you can literally be forced out of business. That form of discrimination is celebrated by liberals all across AmericaWell, I'm afraid you're going to be sadly disappointed - that ship has sailed.
As for the municipality discriminating, my point was not basic regulatory conditions to open and run a business but the municipality being able to say "you're a Christian, no store license for you" or "you're gay, no store license for you". Or simply having a city clerk say, "gee, there's something about you I don't like so no store license for you".
Let's keep the context. The topic is about whether business SHOULD do something. It's about whether they should be allowed to do it
That is not an argument.
Jesus wouldn't facilitate their sin thoughIn a civilized society, they should not be allowed to do it. This is what prevents systemic oppression of people by people hijacking a religion for their own personal bigoted agendas.
Jesus wouldn't refuse service to sinners.
That is exactly what is happening in America. If you want to run your business according to your Christian beliefs, you can literally be forced out of business. That form of discrimination is celebrated by liberals all across America
I'm glad we agree.
That is a voluntary association, is it not?
No, as all men are created equal and government's role and responsibility is to treat us all equally and protect our rights against aggression. As such. no unit of government should ever be allowed to discriminate.
A business is not like the government; it is ultimately the property of an individual and that individual has freedom of association and freedom of contract. He or she should never be compelled to give custom to anyone; it is good business sense to make voluntary exchange for profit with the largest number of folks possible, so the incentive is already there to not discriminate.
Jesus wouldn't facilitate their sin though
We agree that you haven't provided an argument?
Hooray.
That is exactly what is happening in America. If you want to run your business according to your Christian beliefs, you can literally be forced out of business. That form of discrimination is celebrated by liberals all across America
And as I said, he didn't facilitate their sin either. Moreover, He said he came to them because they were in need of being healed.B.S.
Those aren't Christian beliefs. Jesus didn't turn sinners away.
Well, since government is the people in a community
why do you favour a collectively enacted law that allows a private business to discriminate
and yet oppose the community collectively, through their representatives, enacting a law to discriminate against a business?
Do you feel that businesses have a higher level of rights and equality than a single person?
That's why he stopped Judas from betraying him, right?
Did HE help Judas? NoThat's why he stopped Judas from betraying him, right?