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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Actually the definition of "Public Accommodation" varies by jurisdiction so there can be differences between the Federal definition and among the various states.
    Yes indeed, there are are almost certainly differences. Public accommodations discrimination is largely the purview of state legislation.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    you know, when someone argues for the repeal of the civil rights act in a thread, that makes me care a lot less about any other views that they hold. save your rage for someone who gives a ****. if you open a restaurant, you shouldn't be able to kick out people for being black or gay.
    And your reason for this is? Why do you desire to force people to trade with others?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    No, the law doesn't get to make that decision
    Try sacrificing a few virgins in the town square and tell the cops your religion requires you to do it.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Oh, I'm sorry, when did the discussion switch to access for people with disabilities?
    It's the same definition used

    here's from Title II of CRA

    http://users.wfu.edu/zulick/341/civilrightsact1964.html
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    According to Cardinal they spent $180,000. That's nothing in a state like California. You guys need to get your stories straight.
    I don't know who cardinal is....but the Mormons spent millions on prop 8

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm not sure the "most folks" statement is true. And I don't know what limits there would be on "any service pertaining to marriage." Are you talking about some large or small participation in the marriage ceremony, or in providing benefits to SS couples (such as benefits) same as straight couples.

    Furthermore, it's not at all clear that the law would allow for a photographer to deny her services to a same sex marriage. Those saying the law isn't a license to discriminate deny this, and in some cases specifically. But if they're wrong and the law would allow for that photographer/baker/florist/hotel/restaurant/public wedding chapel (i.e. not a church) to deny services then why stop there, or what would limit the law to just wedding ceremonies and not an apartment manager who doesn't believe in homosexual cohabitation since sodomy is a sin?

    I guess I'm not really following the thread of this conversation.
    Let me put it this way....

    Did it ever occur to you a cake decorator's biggest source of income is a wedding cake. They are very expensive. For a cake decorator to turn down making a cake for a SS couple out of religious convictions, it is equivalent to deny at least 2 dozen or so all occasion cakes depending on the size of the wedding cake. Maybe that will help put into perspective how much revenue a cake decorator is willing to give up in order to not violate his moral conscience.

    Same with a florist. Weddings besides funerals are their number one source of revenue. You have the bride's bouquet, the maid of honor and all the bridesmaids, you have the corsages for the mothers and grandmothers, the boutonnieres for the groom and his party. There are flower arrangements for wherever the ceremony is being performed and then there are the table arrangements for all the tables for wherever the reception is being held. You are talking mega bucks. I know I've been there. So a florist because of his/her faith can not in good conscience provide her masterpieces for a SS couple due to religious convictions is willing to lose a huge amount of revenue over such a decision.

    Same with the photographer. Photographers can do a whole days work taking family portraits but that can't match the revenue they make on a wedding. Yet the photographer is willing to give up that revenue because it violates his/her moral conscience if they were to accept.

    The one who offers the place for the reception including catering makes mega bucks on a wedding, yet if it is a SS marriage and it violates their moral conscience they are more than willing to pass up on the opportunity to make money.

    Something for you to think about.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Try sacrificing a few virgins in the town square and tell the cops your religion requires you to do it.
    I'm sorry but you can't compare killing virgins to declining a photography gig

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    I'm sorry but you can't compare killing virgins to declining a photography gig
    They can both be prohibited by law.

    I just compared them.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    They can both be prohibited by law.

    I just compared them.
    One prevents an act. One forces someone to act. There IS no comparison

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    One prevents an act.
    Public accommodations prevent acts of discrimination
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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