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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, US Law states that public accommodations are specifically defined as restaurants, theatres, hotels, and gas stations.
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/12181
    (7) Public accommodation
    The following private entities are considered public accommodations for purposes of this subchapter, if the operations of such entities affect commerce—
    (A) an inn, hotel, motel, or other place of lodging, except for an establishment located within a building that contains not more than five rooms for rent or hire and that is actually occupied by the proprietor of such establishment as the residence of such proprietor;
    (B) a restaurant, bar, or other establishment serving food or drink;
    (C) a motion picture house, theater, concert hall, stadium, or other place of exhibition or entertainment;
    (D) an auditorium, convention center, lecture hall, or other place of public gathering;
    (E) a bakery, grocery store, clothing store, hardware store, shopping center, or other sales or rental establishment;
    (F) a laundromat, dry-cleaner, bank, barber shop, beauty shop, travel service, shoe repair service, funeral parlor, gas station, office of an accountant or lawyer, pharmacy, insurance office, professional office of a health care provider, hospital, or other service establishment;
    (G) a terminal, depot, or other station used for specified public transportation;
    (H) a museum, library, gallery, or other place of public display or collection;
    (I) a park, zoo, amusement park, or other place of recreation;
    (J) a nursery, elementary, secondary, undergraduate, or postgraduate private school, or other place of education;
    (K) a day care center, senior citizen center, homeless shelter, food bank, adoption agency, or other social service center establishment; and
    (L) a gymnasium, health spa, bowling alley, golf course, or other place of exercise or recreation.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    selling someone a hamburger isn't exercising religion. you still shouldn't be able to kick a gay person out of your business just for being gay.
    Why? It's my property and I want them to leave. Why shouldn't I be able to kick them out?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well here a primer for you.....most folks think the 10% or less involved in same sex to be abnormal but the majority feel they deserve the same constitutional rights as others and should not be discriminated against. I agree. But at the same time they have no right to take away the constitutional rights of others that oppose their lifestyle on religious convictions especially when it involves any service pertaining to marriage.
    I'm not sure the "most folks" statement is true. And I don't know what limits there would be on "any service pertaining to marriage." Are you talking about some large or small participation in the marriage ceremony, or in providing benefits to SS couples (such as benefits) same as straight couples.

    Furthermore, it's not at all clear that the law would allow for a photographer to deny her services to a same sex marriage. Those saying the law isn't a license to discriminate deny this, and in some cases specifically. But if they're wrong and the law would allow for that photographer/baker/florist/hotel/restaurant/public wedding chapel (i.e. not a church) to deny services then why stop there, or what would limit the law to just wedding ceremonies and not an apartment manager who doesn't believe in homosexual cohabitation since sodomy is a sin?

    I guess I'm not really following the thread of this conversation.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    they can find homosexuality as sinful as they want, but if they are a business open to the public, they shouldn't be allowed to deny service to a homosexual customer just because he or she is homosexual any more than they should be allowed to do so based on race or gender.
    But Helix services pertaining to weddings often requires a person to use their skill to create something in a business that many believe marriage to be between a man and a woman. That the very thought of such a reunion under their God is inspirational and Holy. Then you expect them to create something with their own hands that violates what they believe for another because they want it? That isn't fair. If a cake decorator in good conscience refuses a wedding cake which is the one cake that creates the greatest revenue for them because it violates their moral conscience what does that tell you? You know this new law that Pence just signed would not have been necessary if gay activists would have respected the religious rights of others Now that's something to ponder.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    U.S. Law states that public accommodations are generally defined as entities, both public and private, that are used by the public.
    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    No, US Law states that public accommodations are specifically defined as restaurants, theatres, hotels, and gas stations.
    Actually the definition of "Public Accommodation" varies by jurisdiction so there can be differences between the Federal definition and among the various states.

    Since this thread is about Indiana, here is their definition:

    IC 22-9-1-3
    Definitions
    (m) "Public accommodation" means any establishment that caters or offers its services or facilities or goods to the general public.


    Indiana Code 22-9-1

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Inadequate compensation is a valid reason for refusing service and has nothing to do with religion.



    The laws decision.
    No, the law doesn't get to make that decision

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lets break this down to the basics. When you approach someone and they say no to trade the answer is no. The answer is not, ok, so I will go get the government to force you to trade with me. This isn't really all that hard to understand.
    you know, when someone argues for the repeal of the civil rights act in a thread, that makes me care a lot less about any other views that they hold. save your rage for someone who gives a ****. if you open a restaurant, you shouldn't be able to kick out people for being black or gay.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Oh, I'm sorry, when did the discussion switch to access for people with disabilities?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But Helix services pertaining to weddings often requires a person to use their skill to create something in a business that many believe marriage to be between a man and a woman. That the very thought of such a reunion under their God is inspirational and Holy. Then you expect them to create something with their own hands that violates what they believe for another because they want it? That isn't fair. If a cake decorator in good conscience refuses a wedding cake which is the one cake that creates the greatest revenue for them because it violates their moral conscience what does that tell you? You know this new law that Pence just signed would not have been necessary if gay activists would have respected the religious rights of others Now that's something to ponder.
    i'm fine with not forcing churches to perform gay marriages, but a business is not a church.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by freeRadical View Post
    Forcing someone to provide goods and services to people they don't want to is not liberty either.
    No one is forcing you to provide goods and services, you can embark in other endeavors. Should you choose to provide goods and services, then you are obligated to do so to all who can lawfully use those goods and services.

    I am talking about the U.S. of course. There are many countries that have sharia law, laws based on religious beliefs, which allow you to limit who you do business with.
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