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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The laws decision.
    How sad.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Which they agreed was satisfactory compensation
    When did you start caring about what people agreed to?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    There are laws already in place that do not permit people kicking people out of work over sexual orientation. You know as a woman I spent a good part of my working life fighting for the rights of women. Whether it be equal pay or time off during pregnancies/births. One species had to be the one to cook it in the oven for nine months. That shouldn't be held against her. Let me tell ya from experience by 11:00 AM if you didn't feed the child or pump, that breast milk would shoot across the room if it were allowed to. It is so uncomfortable, painful and embarrassing when your breasts start to leak soaking through pads and wetting your garments. My suggestions for a place for nursing moms to pump was ignored when I needed it but later on the company did provide a curtained area for moms who needed to pump during their lunch hour in the gym. In the same breath, I support religious rights. If a person finds same sex sinful they should be allowed to hold that belief whether in private or in the public square and not be forced by law to violate those beliefs. But at the same time support all citizens of this country regardless of race, gender, religion etc. the basic inalienable rights we all possess. And when you deny a man the right to his moral conscience you are stepping on his liberties.
    they can find homosexuality as sinful as they want, but if they are a business open to the public, they shouldn't be allowed to deny service to a homosexual customer just because he or she is homosexual any more than they should be allowed to do so based on race or gender.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Corinthians 14:34

    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
    And in your ignorance quote a Scripture and have no clue to its substance. In the days of Corinth in Greek culture, it was rare that wives of men would be together in a public place together let alone a place of worship. You see they seen their women as home-bound caring for their children. Only the male was permitted such latitude in socializing. In Christianity the barriers in society were broken and the women were encouraged to attend the services with their mates. However, they did not know how to act and during the services would talk and ask questions and socialize with others around them. It disrupted the service hence the remarks from the Apostle Paul. But it is always a favorite Scripture for folks like you to pull out of context .

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Discrimination of groups of people is despicable, and what is being done here is not "freedom of speech" it is discrimination and separation of the community.
    Last edited by Dovkan; 03-27-15 at 11:25 PM.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    U.S. Law states that public accommodations are generally defined as entities, both public and private, that are used by the public.
    No, US Law states that public accommodations are specifically defined as restaurants, theatres, hotels, and gas stations.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The outrage is faux because the issue is faux. No rights are being denied to anyone, LGBT or otherwise. Indiana's law is consistent with the federal statute and relevant SCOTUS decisions.
    Again, the problem is some supporters who are vocal and powerful opponents of SSM were cheering the passage of this bill and those like it in other states, and their rhetoric was focused on how it would protect people from teh gays. They specifically say the law would allow some businesses to discriminate against (deny services to) homosexuals getting married - specifically mentioned were photographers, florists and bakers. That's what the supporters have claimed. If businesses can deny services to gay weddings, what else is permitted under this law? Can restaurants refuse their services, hotels, can a lessor deny apartments to gay couples? Can a business deny spousal benefits to a legally married but same sex couple?

    I've read a legal analysis signed by 16 scholars who say the bill will do no such thing - that anti-discrimination laws will withstand RFRA challenges - and they support the legislation.

    Another analysis by 30 legal scholars opposes the bill for a variety of reasons, among them that concludes that the law will likely at least provide what businesses believe is a license to discriminate, and that a flood of litigation is likely.

    I don't know the answer, but if we believe some proponents that the bill is an important way to "protect" some people and businesses from "supporters of homosexual marriage" it is a license for discrimination in some circumstances that aren't well defined or understood. Pence and others defending it say it will do no such thing. So at the signing ceremony you've got people who are making conflicting claims both cheering the same law. Maybe the anti-SSM folks are just playing to the base and that part of it is all politics and baseless rhetoric, but then you can't blame those on the other side for taking those claims at face value and responding to them. And it seems wise to be concerned when groups working hard to oppose SSM are behind these efforts and are clapping as the bill is signed into law.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    they can find homosexuality as sinful as they want, but if they are a business open to the public, they shouldn't be allowed to deny service to a homosexual customer just because he or she is homosexual any more than they should be allowed to do so based on race or gender.
    Lets break this down to the basics. When you approach someone and they say no to trade the answer is no. The answer is not, ok, so I will go get the government to force you to trade with me. This isn't really all that hard to understand.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Just for the record, the Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion, not simply the freedom to worship
    selling someone a hamburger isn't exercising religion. you still shouldn't be able to kick a gay person out of your business just for being gay.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And in your ignorance quote a Scripture and have no clue to its substance. In the days of Corinth in Greek culture, it was rare that wives of men would be together in a public place together let alone a place of worship. You see they seen their women as home-bound caring for their children. Only the male was permitted such latitude in socializing. In Christianity the barriers in society were broken and the women were encouraged to attend the services with their mates. However, they did not know how to act and during the services would talk and ask questions and socialize with others around them. It disrupted the service hence the remarks from the Apostle Paul. But it is always a favorite Scripture for folks like you to pull out of context .
    Fine ignore the law makes no difference to me.

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