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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    When I accept money to photograph a wedding it is a job that has to produce results. It not about artistic creative expression or freedom of speech.
    I expect that is usually how it goes with wedding photography, but I also see how one could make it an artistic endeavor.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I expect that is usually how it goes with wedding photography, but I also see how one could make it an artistic endeavor.
    I don't get hired for my artistic endeavors. I get hired for what I already know and my reputation.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We tolerate bigots. We don't tolerate bigoted laws.
    A law that forces a person to act against his religious faith is a bigoted law. Pence corrected that error with the stroke of his pen. Chalk one up for liberty

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If they operate their business as a public accomodation, I do have a right to their labor.



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    Slave owners had the right to the labor of others as well. Didn't make it right
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i am not against the rights of any religious person to worship. i am against the practice of using that faith to discriminate against others in a place of business. in other words, i don't want businesses kicking my gay friends or relatives out. that is too close to what routinely happened to non-white races before the civil rights movement, and it makes my state look bad. it has the potential to have a significantly negative economic impact, too, and i work here.
    There are laws already in place that do not permit people kicking people out of work over sexual orientation. You know as a woman I spent a good part of my working life fighting for the rights of women. Whether it be equal pay or time off during pregnancies/births. One species had to be the one to cook it in the oven for nine months. That shouldn't be held against her. Let me tell ya from experience by 11:00 AM if you didn't feed the child or pump, that breast milk would shoot across the room if it were allowed to. It is so uncomfortable, painful and embarrassing when your breasts start to leak soaking through pads and wetting your garments. My suggestions for a place for nursing moms to pump was ignored when I needed it but later on the company did provide a curtained area for moms who needed to pump during their lunch hour in the gym. In the same breath, I support religious rights. If a person finds same sex sinful they should be allowed to hold that belief whether in private or in the public square and not be forced by law to violate those beliefs. But at the same time support all citizens of this country regardless of race, gender, religion etc. the basic inalienable rights we all possess. And when you deny a man the right to his moral conscience you are stepping on his liberties.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i am not against the rights of any religious person to worship. i am against the practice of using that faith to discriminate against others in a place of business. in other words, i don't want businesses kicking my gay friends or relatives out. that is too close to what routinely happened to non-white races before the civil rights movement, and it makes my state look bad. it has the potential to have a significantly negative economic impact, too, and i work here.
    Just for the record, the Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion, not simply the freedom to worship

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    There are laws already in place that do not permit people kicking people out of work over sexual orientation. You know as a woman I spent a good part of my working life fighting for the rights of women. Whether it be equal pay or time off during pregnancies/births. One species had to be the one to cook it in the oven for nine months. That shouldn't be held against her. Let me tell ya from experience by 11:00 AM if you didn't feed the child or pump, that breast milk would shoot across the room if it were allowed to. It is so uncomfortable, painful and embarrassing when your breasts start to leak soaking through pads and wetting your garments. My suggestions for a place for nursing moms to pump was ignored when I needed it but later on the company did provide a curtained area for moms who needed to pump during their lunch hour in the gym. In the same breath, I support religious rights. If a person finds same sex sinful they should be allowed to hold that belief whether in private or in the public square and not be forced by law to violate those beliefs. But at the same time support all citizens of this country regardless of race, gender, religion etc. the basic inalienable rights we all possess. And when you deny a man the right to his moral conscience you are stepping on his liberties.
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    Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    A law that forces a person to act against his religious faith is a bigoted law. Pence corrected that error with the stroke of his pen. Chalk one up for liberty
    I'll chalk one up for another rightwinger who doesn't understand what bigotry is about
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Slave owners had the right to the labor of others as well. Didn't make it right
    *yawn*

    Yeah, because slaves were paid for their services and owned their own businesses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Just for the record, the Constitution guarantees the free exercise of religion, not simply the freedom to worship
    Selling a cake is not a religious expression.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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