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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you have any idea how many clubs had to give in to people demanding they change their rules? The mindset behind that kind of crap is the same mindset behind these laws.
    Okay how many?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay how many?
    Far too many. The fact is your so called legal avenue doesn't get anyone away from people like you. You will still demand entry into their club and you will still harass them until you get your way.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Far too many. The fact is your so called legal avenue doesn't get anyone away from people like you.
    Okay so you don't know, go figure

    You will still demand entry into their club and you will still harass them until you get your way.
    Would you like some cheese with your whine?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    And there is a legal pathway for you discriminate as I have already pointed out.
    And you are in such a mindset that those you wish to force to comply to your wishes have no legal pathways? think again. When folks think they can trash and trample the rights of others for what they think is the "right" way to proceed need to find an ounce of tolerance for others who do not agree with them and respect their rights. But that isn't what you are about.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Okay so you don't know, go figure

    Would you like some cheese with your whine?
    Remember that whole thing with gays demanding entry to the boy scouts? Ever read about men only golf clubs having to give in and allow women in because they wouldn't shut the **** up about being denied entry? We both know clubs are more or less forced to give in to people like you all the time. Furthermore, how does the government behave when a club is denying entry of certain people? Do they perhaps punish the clubs for it? They do you say? Go figure.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I see. Architects are engaging in expressive speech through their work, but photographers are not. When they are forced by law to celebrate an event they disapprove of, government is not unconstitutionally compelling them to engage in certain speech against their will.
    NO,photographers may also be engaging in expressive speech. For example, a landscape photographer could refuse to photograph a wedding as it's not a service he offers the public.

    Say there is a group of openly homosexual men who have a fetish for things associated with Nazism. They want to have a party, with a swastika-bedizened cake and everyone dressed in SS caps, uniforms--or at least parts of uniforms--and boots. Just to add to the fun, they want to hire Cohen, an observant Jew who is a photographer in town, to take photographs to commemorate the event. They tell him they are homosexuals and want the photos to show them in embraces and in other erotically suggestive poses. This man does the usual wedding and bar mitzvah photographs, but he also has had a number of his photos of human figures exhibited in galleries. Although Cohen does not have as low an opinion of homosexuals as of Nazis, he considers homosexuality immoral and wants no part of celebrating it in pictures. But since photographs are not a form of aesthetic expression like architecture, and because under the state law photography studios qualify as public accommodations, he cannot refuse this job. Is that what you would say?
    For one thing, the fact that he displays portraits in art galleries is irrelevant as the work for hire you refer to is not for an art gallery. So let's not confuse the issue.

    And I think he should not be able to refuse to photograph a Nazi-themed event but should be able to refuse to photograph anything that is sexually suggestive

    And as an amateur photographer, I think photography does have an expressive element, even when done for such "mundane" and commercial purposes as wedding photography (though there may be some areas of commercial photography that this doesn't apply to) so there is a possibility that a photographer might be able to refuse to work an event but that would be contingent on whether his performing the service would lead others to reasonably conclude that he approves or supports the ideas being expressed or that such work is part of the services he provides.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    And you are in such a mindset that those you wish to force to comply to your wishes have no legal pathways? think again. When folks think they can trash and trample the rights of others for what they think is the "right" way to proceed need to find an ounce of tolerance for others who do not agree with them and respect their rights. But that isn't what you are about.
    If I wasn't clear I think opening a heterosexuals only club should be perfectly legal whether the service be a photographer, baker or renting chairs. In places open to the general public places of public accommodation you're going to have to put your personal bias aside no matter whom you want to discriminate against be they black, chinese, gay, hindu, satanists, etc.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    NO,photographers may also be engaging in expressive speech.
    Not when you are the clock.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Not when you are the clock.
    ?????
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    ?????
    When I accept money to photograph a wedding it is a job that has to produce results. It not about artistic creative expression or freedom of speech.

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