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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    this particular bill was to protect religious freedoms much like 30 state governors have signed into law after the fiasco over cake decorators, florists and photographers were ripped in federal courts mainly due to the lack of protection at the state level. . Are you against religious freedoms? I read it and it had nothing in it that discriminated against anyone.. So what's the beef?
    i am not against the rights of any religious person to worship. i am against the practice of using that faith to discriminate against others in a place of business. in other words, i don't want businesses kicking my gay friends or relatives out. that is too close to what routinely happened to non-white races before the civil rights movement, and it makes my state look bad. it has the potential to have a significantly negative economic impact, too, and i work here.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    And what about the person denied access to society simply because someone doesn't like who they are and not because of their character?
    Denied access to society? How are they denied access to society? You do know what society is right?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    this particular bill was to protect religious freedoms much like 30 state governors have signed into law after the fiasco over cake decorators, florists and photographers were ripped in federal courts mainly due to the lack of protection at the state level. . Are you against religious freedoms? I read it and it had nothing in it that discriminated against anyone.. So what's the beef?
    I'm against discrimination in places of public accommodation. If you want to discriminate start a club for heterosexuals only.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm against discrimination in places of public accommodation. If you want to discriminate start a club for heterosexuals only.
    You guys act like you have a right to be a member of all clubs. Just sayin'..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm against discrimination in places of public accommodation. If you want to discriminate start a club for heterosexuals only.
    I'm against any discrimination that would deny any citizen constitutional right to moral conscience. To me that is the epitome of stealing a man's soul. Have a nice day.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You guys act like you have a right to be a member of all clubs. Just sayin'..
    I'm not qualified for a homosexuals only club. And I wouldn't want to be a member of a heterosexuals or homosexuals only club.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Do you have freedom of speech when you are on your employer's time? The time your employer paid for.
    I don't see how a private employer's rules regarding employees are relevant here. The freedom of speech issue arises in the context of state public accommodations laws because those laws constitute state action that either compels people to express or endorse views they do not agree with. The Supreme Court has held since before WWII that the First Amendment guarantee of the freedom of speech applies to states also.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    There is nothing in the RFRA that permits discrimination. An anti-gay widget seller must sell a widget to a gay customer.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I'm not qualified for a homosexuals only club. And I wouldn't want to be a member of a heterosexuals or homosexuals only club.
    Do you have any idea how many clubs had to give in to people demanding they change their rules? The mindset behind that kind of crap is the same mindset behind these laws.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I'm against any discrimination that would deny any citizen constitutional right to moral conscience. .
    And there is a legal pathway for you discriminate as I have already pointed out.

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