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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Just so I'm clear, it's not that gays didn't or don't face significant discrimination that makes the comparison "shameful" but that they have no rights, so it's OK they faced oppressive discrimination, and have had through most of history including our own and in some countries face the death penalty, just for being gay?
    Well here a primer for you.....most folks think the 10% or less involved in same sex to be abnormal but the majority feel they deserve the same constitutional rights as others and should not be discriminated against. I agree. But at the same time they have no right to take away the constitutional rights of others that oppose their lifestyle on religious convictions especially when it involves any service pertaining to marriage.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    This post will come in handy the next time a Democrat calls a Republican a hypocrite for not supporting the individual mandate because some now-retired Republican lawmakers supported it 20 years ago. Thanks. It will save me a lot of typing - just have to change a few names and a political party and the law name.
    I don't recall ever making that argument, but if it's helpful to you, and what I say somehow proves some point about some other person's belief (you're wrong because Jasper said....!!! would seem odd....) then you're welcome, I guess...

    The RFRA was intended to preserve the religious freedom of the Native Americans. Are you saying that it's a crime that it's being applied to non-Native American religions now?
    No, I didn't say it was a crime, just that the current interpretation of it 1) couldn't have been anticipated by the supporters in 1993, and 2) what Chuck thought in 1993 is completely and utterly irrelevant to anything in 2015.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well here a primer for you.....most folks think the 10% or less involved in same sex to be abnormal but the majority feel they deserve the same constitutional rights as others and should not be discriminated against. I agree. But at the same time they have no right to take away the constitutional rights of others that oppose their lifestyle on religious convictions especially when it involves any service pertaining to marriage.
    And here's a primer for you...the constitution gives the govt the power to regulate commerce.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    the state sanctioning kicking gay people out of a restaurant solely because they are gay is a mockery of humanity.
    Please provide such a claim by link. Governor Pence would not of signed such a bill if it included such stipulations. Please produce......

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And here's a primer for you...the constitution gives the govt the power to regulate commerce.
    Yes the Commerce Clause that has become the catch all for all corrupt politicians. I for one am for a new admendment to the Constitution that defines the Commerce Clause true intent and not what asswipes have used it for to push through all sorts of things.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Waah, Open a private club and then you can deal with whatever group you want. If you have a business that caters to the public and you're reaping government benefits, you don't get to pick and choose who you want to do business with based on who that potential customer inherently is. You can refuse to do business if it's not conducive or doesn't apply to your business maybe. If somebody wants to hire Me to rehab their house and they want contemporary modern and My business only does vintage restoration. I can refuse to do business with them on those grounds. I can't refuse them service because they're Black.
    Say Jones is an architect who has a small, one-man office in town and is known for the artistic, aesthetic quality of several residences he has designed in the area. One day as he is sketching design ideas, Rojer and Troy, two homosexual men, walk in and tell him they admire a house he did and want him to design one for them. But they have an aesthetic idea of their own they want him to follow.

    On a trip to Tibet a couple years before, they explain, they had been quite fascinated with the way many houses there feature phallus-shaped forms in various parts of their design. The two tell Jones that as a gay couple, they like this phallus motif very much and want him to use it throughout the house he does for them. They confide that they plan to have some very sensuous all-male parties in their new house, and they make clear they want some of its design details to depict phalluses quite graphically, because they think that will lend to the erotic ambiance they want to create.

    Not only does all this offend Jones's aesthetic and artistic sensibilities, but he is also a devout, fundamentalist Christian. As such, he believes homosexuality is immoral and an abomination that should be discouraged, rather than celebrated--let alone celebrated in his designs. He does not want these clients. Can he refuse them because they are homosexuals without violating his state's law, if it prohibits public accommodations from discriminating on the basis of sexual preference, and defines "public accommodation" to include any "business"?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Individuals are free to donate as they wish, regardless of their religion.
    I wasn't getting into an argument on the right of people to contribute to prop 8, I was pointing out the significant influence of religion on the proposition, which I feel at this point is a sufficiently beaten and deceased equine.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes the Commerce Clause that has become the catch all for all corrupt politicians. I for one am for a new admendment to the Constitution that defines the Commerce Clause true intent and not what asswipes have used it for to push through all sorts of things.
    Another primer for you...until you pass that amendment, the govt has the power to make discrimination illegal
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And here's a primer for you...the constitution gives the govt the power to regulate commerce.
    I was not aware business was listed in the commerce clause.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Another primer for you...until you pass that amendment, the govt has the power to make discrimination illegal
    I thinks it's cute that you have to run to an obviously unfounded determination of government power by the Supreme Court to make your case.

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