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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    You can believe whatever you want, however if your business caters to the public then you have to cater to the public. You cannot pick and choose which demographic you wanna sell too. We are a modern society and we are moving forward. We are not regressing back to the 1940s.
    You do realize the whole "moving forward" rhetoric is meaningless, right?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by freeRadical View Post
    Are businesses a public accomodation? What is your definition of public accomodations?
    U.S. Law states that public accommodations are generally defined as entities, both public and private, that are used by the public.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The outrage is faux because the issue is faux. No rights are being denied to anyone, LGBT or otherwise. Indiana's law is consistent with the federal statute and relevant SCOTUS decisions.
    The untold millions Indiana has already lost due to corporations pulling their conventions is not faux. I gave Pence much more credit than this and respected him a great deal. He'll get it when he starts losing huge sports events--didn't learn much from Arizona did he ?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    You can believe whatever you want, however if your business caters to the public then you have to cater to the public. You cannot pick and choose which demographic you wanna sell too. We are a modern society and we are moving forward. We are not regressing back to the 1940s.
    Well there are 30 some states that have tightened their laws to protect religious freedom after they seen the blatant attack on it over the last couple of years. You see I do have the right to believe what I want and practice it in the public square. Imagine that, true liberty! sun of a gun.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You do realize the whole "moving forward" rhetoric is meaningless, right?
    ****ing libertarian bull****. No it's not. Moving away from lynching blacks as being acceptable, isn't meaningless rhetoric, nor were child labor laws or women suffrage, or fire codes in buildings. A just society changes, balances and moves forward for all of society.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    We are talking about individual moral codes. All people have certain inalienable rights. How you have sex isn't one of them but freedom of religion and the right to moral conscience is.
    Just so I'm clear, it's not that gays didn't or don't face significant discrimination that makes the comparison "shameful" but that they have no rights, so it's OK they faced oppressive discrimination, and have had through most of history including our own and in some countries face the death penalty, just for being gay?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Nowhere have I claimed the law is a good idea because of its Dem origin. That's merely a barrier against partisan hackery. I think the law is a good idea because I think it's a good idea.
    OK, then it's a really lame barrier against "partisan hackery" because whether Schumer supported it in 1993 really has nothing to do with anyone's view of how it's interpreted today except for perhaps Chuck Schumer or the other 432 members of Congress who voted for it. Glad we got this straightened out!

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Let's just see how it plays out. The law protects individuals from being compelled to perform acts contrary to their consciences. Seems laudable to me -- and constitutionally mandated, btw.
    It depends, doesn't it? If your "conscience" tells you Jews are the devil and you want to run them out of town, and so you will refuse them service and otherwise make them unwelcome, I don't think laws that allow that are particularly "laudable." And they're clearly not always constitutionally 'mandated' - that also depends on what your conscience is telling you and who acts based on that affect....

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    ****ing libertarian bull****. No it's not. Moving away from lynching blacks as being acceptable, isn't meaningless rhetoric, nor were child labor laws or women suffrage, or fire codes in buildings. A just society changes, balances and moves forward for all of society.
    What is moving forward and what is not is entirely based on opinion and what someones goals for society are.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    You are certainly entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to forcing others to give up their constitutional rights afforded them to force what you think is just.

    Because in doing so you make a mockery of the basis of our whole government. We all have inalienable rights and among those rights are religious freedoms. Gays, straights, blacks, whites, orange because of eating too many carrots, green because of too much broccoli, all share these rights. We would be wise to stand up for all people and not just a select few.
    the state sanctioning kicking gay people out of a restaurant solely because they are gay is a mockery of humanity.

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