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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Someone may already have posted this, but if not, here is a pretty good law review article on this subject for those who feel like a little mental exercise. It doesn't focus on the federal or state RFRA's, but on the First Amendment freedom of speech.

    http://www.vanderbiltlawreview.org/c....-961-2011.pdf


    I think the author's analysis of the Elane Photography case is spot on. The New Mexico Supreme Court got it wrong by ignoring what the U.S. Supreme Court has said in its decisions about expressive speech and government-compelled speech. See pp. 982-993. The Supreme Court declined certiorari in the case, but it was not approving the state court's decision by doing that. The Court can only hear a very small fraction of the cases it's asked to hear each term.
    Because of such cases like Elane Photography it has compelled at least 30 states to tighten their laws in regard to such superfluous cases to ward off the wolves that are ready and willing to deny the basic rights of others in the name of their cause. Rather selfish when you boil it all down.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Waah, Open a private club and then you can deal with whatever group you want. If you have a business that caters to the public and you're reaping government benefits, you don't get to pick and choose who you want to do business with based on who that potential customer inherently is. You can refuse to do business if it's not conducive or doesn't apply to your business maybe. If somebody wants to hire Me to rehab their house and they want contemporary modern and My business only does vintage restoration. I can refuse to do business with them on those grounds. I can't refuse them service because they're Black.
    What government benefits and what do they have to do with the topic?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by freeRadical View Post
    What government benefits do private businesses reap?
    Tax write offs that kind of ****. Writing off business expenses, everything under the sun. Come on now.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well, it is nice to have someone to tell others that their outrage is 'faux.' Just curious, can the rest of us tell you how you should feel, or does this just work one way, from Jack to the inferior proles....

    BTW, maybe there wouldn't be as much faux outrage if supporters of the law didn't make their feelings about homosexuals, and gay marriage so clear, or that the law was needed to protect those who opposed SSM. Example, Eric Miller, lobbyist for Advance America -



    So supporters tie the bill to "protecting" businesses from homosexuals, whatever that means, but gays should just ignore what the supporters say and not worry, be happy... If it does anything to protect businesses from teh gey, what would that be that doesn't involve some kind of discrimination against homosexuals? I'm at a loss. Maybe you can help?
    The outrage is faux because the issue is faux. No rights are being denied to anyone, LGBT or otherwise. Indiana's law is consistent with the federal statute and relevant SCOTUS decisions.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Tax write offs that kind of ****. Writing off business expenses, everything under the sun. Come on now.
    People that own houses get those same kinds of benefits. Does that mean I can walk into your house and demand you accommodate me?
    "Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place."
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by freeRadical View Post
    People that own houses get those same kinds of benefits. Does that mean I can walk into your house and demand you accommodate me?
    Is your house a public accommodation? Can I come over and just take a shower? Maybe microwave some hot pockets?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    You're free to practice your religion in your church, your house even on a street corner. If you have a public business that caters to the public, reaping government benefits then you cater to the public, you cannot pick and choose which demographic you want to serve based on your personal religious beliefs.
    That's BS ....the Constitution gives me the right to believe what I want and exercise such expression in the public square and affords me the right not to force me to make a decision that would violate my moral conscience. Maybe it is time for you to find a little tolerance for those among you that don't agree or are offended by your claims.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Is your house a public accommodation? Can I come over and just take a shower? Maybe microwave some hot pockets?
    Are businesses a public accomodation? What is your definition of public accomodations?
    "Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place."
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Tax write offs that kind of ****. Writing off business expenses, everything under the sun. Come on now.
    That has nothing to do with the law.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That's BS ....the Constitution gives me the right to believe what I want and exercise such expression in the public square and affords me the right not to force me to make a decision that would violate my moral conscience. Maybe it is time for you to find a little tolerance for those among you that don't agree or are offended by your claims.
    You can believe whatever you want, however if your business caters to the public then you have to cater to the public. You cannot pick and choose which demographic you wanna sell too. We are a modern society and we are moving forward. We are not regressing back to the 1940s.

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