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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by freeRadical View Post
    Maybe you do. Saying you have the right to my labor is not liberty.
    Refusing goods and services to someone based on something that that individual inherently is, race, gender, religion, nationality and sexual orientation is not liberty. That is not a definition of liberty and you won't find it in any dictionary.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by freeRadical View Post
    Maybe you do. Saying you have the right to my labor is not liberty.
    Refusing to sell me a candy bar because I'm handicapped or chinese is not liberty.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Refusing goods and services to someone based on something that that individual inherently is, race, gender, religion, nationality and sexual orientation is not liberty. That is not a definition of liberty and you won't find it in any dictionary.
    Forcing someone to provide goods and services to people they don't want to is not liberty either.
    "Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place."
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Refusing to sell me a candy bar because I'm handicapped or chinese is not liberty.
    And forcing me to sell you a candy bar is liberty?
    "Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place."
    -- Frederic Bastiat

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Refusing goods and services to someone based on something that that individual inherently is, race, gender, religion, nationality and sexual orientation is not liberty. That is not a definition of liberty and you won't find it in any dictionary.
    I would very much like to see your definition of liberty.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Refusing goods and services to someone based on something that that individual inherently is, race, gender, religion, nationality and sexual orientation is not liberty. That is not a definition of liberty and you won't find it in any dictionary.
    Neither is denying a citizen the basic religious rights afforded them in the Constitution.

    Hey Chin. when is it justice when it denies another their basic freedoms?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Someone may already have posted this, but if not, here is a pretty good law review article on this subject for those who feel like a little mental exercise. It doesn't focus on the federal or state RFRA's, but on the First Amendment freedom of speech.

    http://www.vanderbiltlawreview.org/c....-961-2011.pdf


    I think the author's analysis of the Elane Photography case is spot on. The New Mexico Supreme Court got it wrong by ignoring what the U.S. Supreme Court has said in its decisions about expressive speech and government-compelled speech. See pp. 982-993. The Supreme Court declined certiorari in the case, but it was not approving the state court's decision by doing that. The Court can only hear a very small fraction of the cases it's asked to hear each term.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by freeRadical View Post
    Forcing someone to provide goods and services to people they don't want to is not liberty either.
    Waah, Open a private club and then you can deal with whatever group you want. If you have a business that caters to the public and you're reaping government benefits, you don't get to pick and choose who you want to do business with based on who that potential customer inherently is. You can refuse to do business if it's not conducive or doesn't apply to your business maybe. If somebody wants to hire Me to rehab their house and they want contemporary modern and My business only does vintage restoration. I can refuse to do business with them on those grounds. I can't refuse them service because they're Black.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Neither is denying a citizen the basic religious rights afforded them in the Constitution.

    Hey Chin. when is it justice when it denies another their basic freedoms?
    You're free to practice your religion in your church, your house even on a street corner. If you have a public business that caters to the public, reaping government benefits then you cater to the public, you cannot pick and choose which demographic you want to serve based on your personal religious beliefs.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Waah, Open a private club and then you can deal with whatever group you want. If you have a business that caters to the public and you're reaping government benefits, you don't get to pick and choose who you want to do business with based on who that potential customer inherently is. You can refuse to do business if it's not conducive or doesn't apply to your business maybe. If somebody wants to hire Me to rehab their house and they want contemporary modern and My business only does vintage restoration. I can refuse to do business with them on those grounds. I can't refuse them service because they're Black.
    What government benefits do private businesses reap?
    "Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place."
    -- Frederic Bastiat

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