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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    According to the State, in many circumstances, we do. Failure to comply normally results in punishment.
    That's too bad. Nobody should have the right to demand someone else's labor. That isn't a free society.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    You have a seriously skewed idea of what liberty means in a modern and civilized society.
    Maybe you do. Saying you have the right to my labor is not liberty.
    "Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place."
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Call it what you must, but you live in this country and you will obey. Under the system you would have set up, only the acceptable will have civil society. This is because you have no conception of culture. You only see de Jure liberty.

    When talking to libertarians, one must apply force to prevent the wanton destruction their ideas would cause should the world lose its sanity and actually embrace it.
    If you want to live in an oppressive society, so be it. But I will keep fighting for liberty.

    BTW, I am not a libertarian.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If they operate their business as a public accomodation, I do have a right to their labor.
    No you don't. No one has the right to anyone's labor. Forced labor is not liberty, it's slavery.



    Libertarians usually have a morally perverse concept of liberty
    I'm not a libertarian.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by freeRadical View Post
    No you don't. No one has the right to anyone's labor. Forced labor is not liberty, it's slavery.





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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I must admit, that was quite good.
    All in good fun.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Call it what you must, but you live in this country and you will obey. Under the system you would have set up, only the acceptable will have civil society. This is because you have no conception of culture. You only see de Jure liberty.
    Hmmm...I'm not sure you want to make that statement when talking about someone else's understanding of culture. Perhaps you can enlighten me on the effect social acceptance on culture. Since you know, you're the expert on culture and libertarians know nothing about it.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, I do and yes, you are.
    No, you don't and no, I'm not.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I know how much you dislike getting thoroughly schooled in debate, so I'm not surprised you're running away. I'm a native Hoosier myself, and quite proud of my native state. (I'm a firm supporter of SSM, btw.) This bill is like many others in many other states, not to mention the federal law. The only outrage is the faux kind generated by political poseurs. I'll be in Indiana over Labor Day weekend for a graduate school reunion, and I look forward to spending a little extra to help the state's economy.
    Well, it is nice to have someone to tell others that their outrage is 'faux.' Just curious, can the rest of us tell you how you should feel, or does this just work one way, from Jack to the inferior proles....

    BTW, maybe there wouldn't be as much faux outrage if supporters of the law didn't make their feelings about homosexuals, and gay marriage so clear, or that the law was needed to protect those who opposed SSM. Example, Eric Miller, lobbyist for Advance America -

    "Churches, Christian businesses and individuals deserve protection from those who support homosexual marriages and those who support government recognition and approval of gender identity (men who dress as women). SB 101 will help provide the protection!"
    So supporters tie the bill to "protecting" businesses from homosexuals, whatever that means, but gays should just ignore what the supporters say and not worry, be happy... If it does anything to protect businesses from teh gey, what would that be that doesn't involve some kind of discrimination against homosexuals? I'm at a loss. Maybe you can help?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, I do and yes, you are.
    No, you don't. If someone is forced into labor for your benefit they are your involuntary servant. We have an amendment against that kind of thing in case you forgot.

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