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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Not at all disingenuous. The law is the law, and its authors are responsible and accountable.
    You were dismissing any concerns about the application of the RFRA by pointing out democrats supported it. That's BS, or completely irrelevant, unless the sponsors and supporters at that time could contemplate this interpretation of it. No one did. And even if they did (which is laughable) it still has no bearing on how a person 22 years later interprets that act or how it's being used in 2015. If I'm a democrat, and some democrat or all democrats in 1993 supported something, I am not required to agree or hold to that view, nor am I a hypocrite if I come to different conclusions. I'm not bound by Schumer's opinions, today or from 1993. Your analysis is wrongheaded on every level.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You were dismissing any concerns about the application of the RFRA by pointing out democrats supported it. That's BS, or completely irrelevant, unless the sponsors and supporters at that time could contemplate this interpretation of it. No one did. And even if they did (which is laughable) it still has no bearing on how a person 22 years later interprets that act or how it's being used in 2015. If I'm a democrat, and some democrat or all democrats in 1993 supported something, I am not required to agree or hold to that view, nor am I a hypocrite if I come to different conclusions. I'm not bound by Schumer's opinions, today or from 1993. Your analysis is wrongheaded on every level.
    Nowhere have I claimed the law is a good idea because of its Dem origin. That's merely a barrier against partisan hackery. I think the law is a good idea because I think it's a good idea.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Pence is a piece of ****. if someone doesn't understand or refuses to understand why kicking gay people out for being gay is a bad thing, i doubt that i can help.
    But that is where you are wrong. Pence is not kicking out gay people. He is simply protecting the religious constitutional rights of his citizens because there seems to be a number of citizens willing to trample their rights in the name of "justice". It isn't justice when one has to forfeit their rights to another group. Now it looks like the gay couple will no longer be able to freely drag the cake decorator into court over their beliefs. With stronger state laws the justices will have to abide. And it serves as a protection against a federal government who at times doesn't think twice about trampling the rights of others as this current administration has shown it is willing to do.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You were dismissing any concerns about the application of the RFRA by pointing out democrats supported it. That's BS, or completely irrelevant, unless the sponsors and supporters at that time could contemplate this interpretation of it. No one did. And even if they did (which is laughable) it still has no bearing on how a person 22 years later interprets that act or how it's being used in 2015. If I'm a democrat, and some democrat or all democrats in 1993 supported something, I am not required to agree or hold to that view, nor am I a hypocrite if I come to different conclusions. I'm not bound by Schumer's opinions, today or from 1993. Your analysis is wrongheaded on every level.
    This post will come in handy the next time a Democrat calls a Republican a hypocrite for not supporting the individual mandate because some now-retired Republican lawmakers supported it 20 years ago. Thanks. It will save me a lot of typing - just have to change a few names and a political party and the law name.

    The RFRA was intended to preserve the religious freedom of the Native Americans. Are you saying that it's a crime that it's being applied to non-Native American religions now?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But that is where you are wrong. Pence is not kicking out gay people. He is simply protecting the religious constitutional rights of his citizens because there seems to be a number of citizens willing to trample their rights in the name of "justice". It isn't justice when one has to forfeit their rights to another group. Now it looks like the gay couple will no longer be able to freely drag the cake decorator into court over their beliefs. With stronger state laws the justices will have to abide. And it serves as a protection against a federal government who at times doesn't think twice about trampling the rights of others as this current administration has shown it is willing to do.
    You can always count on the best hyperbole on this subject.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    If you're intolerant to people with whom you disagree, you're intolerant period.
    No, it's not their opinion we don't tolerate.

    It's their bigoted actions we don't tolerate.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You can always count on the best hyperbole on this subject.
    HI TRES, sure hope you don't see my posts as hyperbole. I want to see every person regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation to enjoy their inalienable rights afforded them. But I also want to see all groups in our society afford the right to be afforded those same inalienable rights regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation. A little tolerance would go a long way about now.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    HI TRES, sure hope you don't see my posts as hyperbole. I want to see every person regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation to enjoy their inalienable rights afforded them. But I also want to see all groups in our society afford the right to be afforded those same inalienable rights regardless of race, religion or sexual orientation. A little tolerance would go a long way about now.
    No, because I don't read your posts and think people are getting tossed out of buildings or thrown in gulags.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's not true - it's only recently that the definition of bigotry has been turned on its head to include those who are intolerant of bigots, and so would include the civil rights workers killed in Alabama, AND those who killed them. Orwell is smiling somewhere....
    The difference is that we don't tolerate laws that allow discrimination, but we do tolerate bigots. They on the other hand, don't want to tolerate homosexuals and want to use the law to punish them.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The difference is that we don't tolerate laws that allow discrimination, but we do tolerate bigots. They on the other hand, don't want to tolerate homosexuals and want to use the law to punish them.
    The difference is that you think you have the right to someone else's labor.
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