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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    How are those evil rich people doing? Are they hording their money again? Damn them!

    Oh? So perhaps you can tell me what rights anti-discrimination laws protect.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    You probably feel persecuted, don't you. You poor thing.

    If there's anything that white conservative Christians excel at, it's having a persecution complex.
    Wow. You get extra points for managing to get in 3 groups in one fell swoop.

    What do black liberal Christians excel at? How about Spanish conservative atheists? White conservative Jews?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    What does that idiot and his stupid stunt have to do with anything?
    He redefined the "Whites Only" label.

    We were talking about definitions ..right?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    How are those evil rich people doing? Are they hording their money again? Damn them!



    Oh? So perhaps you can tell me what rights anti-discrimination laws protect.
    See, this is why I have very little respect for libertarians. Many, if not most libertarians, believe that full liberties only apply to straight white cisgender Christian adult males, and anybody not in that group is assumed to be a second-class citizen. And the moderate libertarians collectively do a very poor job of standing out the bigoted libertarians. And then! The moderate libertarians themselves get butthurt for being called out like that, instead of doing what they should be doing and calling out the bigots in their own group. So really, the difference between the enablers and the bigots quickly becomes indiscernible.

    But whatever. Anti-LGBT attitudes are literally dying out, and we will dance with joy at their funerals.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wow. You get extra points for managing to get in 3 groups in one fell swoop.

    What do black liberal Christians excel at? How about Spanish conservative atheists? White conservative Jews?
    Red herring. Stay on-topic.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Google must thinks it's astounding also. It's the very first thing when you seek bigotry.

    Yes it does follow closely to my definition [which simplifies it]
    So your answer is they're both "bigots?" OK,

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    He redefined the "Whites Only" label.

    We were talking about definitions ..right?
    He didn't redefine the "Whites Only" label, he engaged in a stupid publicity stunt.

    What you're suggesting is the business owners who hung real Whites Only signs, actively and proudly discriminated against blacks, and used the cops to enforce their Whites Only policies were bigots and so were those who worked to overturn those laws. As I said, Orwell is smiling somewhere.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wow I knew you would back pedal and dodge it LOL
    like i said context and what is actually being discussed not your fantasies and lies. I suggest you read what others actually claimed and i proved wrong or you stop posting blatant lies. your claims are 100% false.
    you said " You start with the premise that laws make people do things" ???what, i didnt claim that at all. if you disagree quote me saying that, you wont be able to and any attempts will be ANOTHER fail.
    your post and claims lose and facts win . . . . again
    thanks for playing
    Dude, you said this and I quote in your widget scenario:
    i make widgets, you are a gay man, you walk in my store and want 500 widgets by 5:00, what law forces me to serve you cause you are gay. please state it in your next post or simply show honesty and integrity admit your clime is factually wrong

    Now I know you have trouble with language and all, but let me try and explain this to you. You are asking me to show you a law that says you must do something, in this case, force you to sell widgets to a gay man. With me so far? Now, I showed you that laws don't do that, and as such, I could not possibly show you a law that says you must sell me widgets because laws don't do this. Still with me? So, what you're doing is setting the opposing viewpoint (mine in this case and all others that have followed along with you) up for a challenge they cannot win, but not because you have some superior insight into the law or even this issue, but because you're asking me and others to solve a problem that DOES NOT EXIST. See how that works? I pointed out to you and with this post you acknowledge that laws don't force people to do things, they inform you of what you're not allowed to do, so by setting up your scenario the way you did, you asked me to support your strawman, and of course when I could not, you claim victory. This is what you ALWAYS do.

    So, now that we've established the error in your premise (Again that laws inform of what not to do, rather than what you can do) shall we (Really meaning you and you alone) debate the topic with a little more integrity and honesty?


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    See, this is why I have very little respect for libertarians. Many, if not most libertarians, believe that full liberties only apply to straight white cisgender Christian adult males, and anybody not in that group is assumed to be a second-class citizen. And the moderate libertarians collectively do a very poor job of standing out the bigoted libertarians. And then! The moderate libertarians themselves get butthurt for being called out like that, instead of doing what they should be doing and calling out the bigots in their own group. So really, the difference between the enablers and the bigots quickly becomes indiscernible.
    Lol at the use of the word cisgender. Have you noticed that only liberals ever use such a pointless word? Anyway, there is nothing bigoted about my position nor does my position somehow only apply to minorities. No one is owed the labor, service, property or the association of another human being. That is a universal view that applies to men, women, blacks, whites, asians, hispanics, straight, bi, gay, asexual, transgender, or anyone else. There is no exception to the rule that you are not owed the labor, service, property or association of another human being.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, everyone is a bigot in some way or another. It might not be towards gays, but there is no doubt you're a bigot in some way or another.
    Well, using your definition, of course I am, because I don't associate with racists and homophobes. And the charity I work with accepts everyone, but they don't allow those to stay who insult the black or gay residents or staff, so they're a "bigoted" organization because they demand that all staff and residents show respect to each other regardless of race, sexual orientation, etc.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Lol at the use of the word cigender.
    Stopped reading right there. The typo aside, as a cisgender person, you never have to worry about people questioning who you are simply because of a clash between what's between your legs and what's between your ears.

    Open your mind, stop being so bigoted, and maybe I'll consider listening to you. Until then, adios!
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