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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) sigh all you ant it was already done, lying and acting like it wasnt only cause your post to further fail.
    No, you have answered nothing. All you have done is reference the law and pretend as if that is telling me the rights it protects.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Then you're ignoring the cases of the photographer who declined to photograph a homosexual wedding and the bakers who declined to provide cakes for homosexual weddings.
    Or the case where the Lesbian Mayor of Houston wanted to subpoena the sermons of local pastors who spoke out from the pulpit.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Everyone is a bigot. It's why calling someone a bigot as an insult has never made any sense.
    It's meant to be shameful or hurtful. LOL!

    But hey. it works on politicians.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    The catch is that if I disagree with your opinion or you with mine, then I'm a bigot and so are you.

    Bigot: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.
    Of course there is a vast moral and ethical difference between the "bigotry" of the KKK and the "bigotry" of those who condemn the KKK and all like them. This ludicrous exercise of somehow equating them is just intellectually absurd. If we're going to redefine the word to describe both groups of people, then the word no longer has any practical meaning.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." --First Amendment to the United States Constitution

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Translation: I had you pegged the moment I came upon your first posts on this forum. You dance like a Chinese panda and I believe you actually think the things you do, but you've spent literally 35 pages defending some inarticulate opinion on the context of this particular debate. It's been pointed out to you that anti-discrimination laws (Meaning laws that can be broken with non-compliance and punished for non-compliance) in some states include sexual orientation as a protected group, yet you ask for specific language that says those that do discriminate will be punished by law enforcement? It was provided to you several times. Your out (once you realized the error of your dance) was to say that if you want to discriminate, then simply don't go into business, BUT, and this is the really important part, you created that strawman in your mind. No one ever to my knowledge was arguing that individuals could not discriminate. The argument germane to this topic is whether Indiana's new law allowing businesses to discriminate based on religious conviction was correct, or whether it wasn't. Some even argued whether it was legal or could survive a constitutional challenge? Some argued the morality of it. Some argued whether it was good idea at all, and some like me question the long term efficacy of such a law.

    When people have pinned you down to specific questions regarding your initial position, you divert asking them to provide more details, yet, anyone with one iota of honesty and English language reading comprehension understood full well what they were asking. This inability to comprehend what is being asked of you lends itself to credibility questions regarding your self-declared expert opinion on the subject matter.

    I'm not convinced, nor are many that have followed along, but you will say something to the effect that, "Translation: blah blah" Or "I'm factually correct and you are wrong".. Again, blah, blah..

    I wonder what you're like in real life, serious question. Most people type and speak colloquially online, pretty similar to how they talk in real life, but you, I just can't imagine that you actually talk the way you do?


    Tim-
    sooo you don't have anything to actually support your failed, destroyed and proven wrong claims? got it
    its cute that you think i want to "convience" you of anything, with or without you being convinced facts remains the same. against you.
    ill still be sticking with facts, reality, and rights but you keep up the good fight trying to push your opinions and feelings as facts
    please let us know when you do, thanks!
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    there are no laws forcing or compelling anybody to do business with gays or genders, races, sexual orientations, religions etc
    there is no right to service
    there is no force to accept gays or genders, races, sexual orientations, religions etc
    there is no force to serve gays or genders, races, sexual orientations, religions etc
    there is no force to say yes
    religious rights are not infringed
    right to associate is not infringed
    right to a contract is not infringed
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Of course there is a vast moral and ethical difference between the "bigotry" of the KKK and the "bigotry" of those who condemn the KKK and all like them. This ludicrous exercise of somehow equating them is just intellectually absurd. If we're going to redefine the word to describe both groups of people, then the word no longer has any practical meaning.
    If it weren't toss about so much, it might still have practical meaning.

    'Hater' OTOH... now that's got some punch.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Oh noooooooooooooooooooeeeeessssssssssssssssssssss... .the po, po whiiite folk, they be treated oh so baaaaaaad.................
    And what grade are you in?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I don't get from your posting history that you're especially old or even especially religious, which seem to be two of the three most compelling reasons to vote for something like prop 8. So simply being conservative wouldn't have been especially a lot all on its own. We have plenty of fiscal conservatives on this board who couldn't give a rat's ass about opposing ssm.



    Of course. I'm still adapting to the fact that I can't say "retard." It appears each generation is cursed to be the next generation's bigots.



    Well, yeah, but when you consider that 82% of Republicans, 85% of conservatives, 84% of church-going, 65% of white protestants, 60% of all catholics, 81% of white evangelicals, and 61% of those 65 and over voted for it, the black vote loses statistical relevance really fast.



    And age (dying mindset) and conservatism, which figures into the whole idiotic culture war thing.
    I'm 53 - I hope you don't consider that old. I'm not "even especially religious" - I'm not religious at all. Neither my husband nor I believe, and our sons weren't Christened, Baptized, or any of that. None of them have ever attended a church service. I'm conservative though, but I'm also one of those people who think consenting adults should marry whoever the hell they want - same sex, 19 wives, whatever. It isn't my business, just like it was nobody's business when I decided to marry my husband.

    I know the black vote on Prop 8 wasn't the biggest in relevance. Then again, there is no truth to the statement "the Republican base hates gays".
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Everyone is a bigot. It's why calling someone a bigot as an insult has never made any sense.
    That's not true - it's only recently that the definition of bigotry has been turned on its head to include those who are intolerant of bigots, and so would include the civil rights workers killed in Alabama, AND those who killed them. Orwell is smiling somewhere....

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