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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maxparrish View Post
    1.)And not all groups or persons are protected or protected equally.
    2.) Of course all people are of some race or sex, and all (in theory) are protected (privileged) from some level of private discrimination based on their race or sex or national origin (etc.). However many individuals are not protected (privileged) from discrimination on the basis of their membership in other groups (e.g. those under 40, or those who have committed crimes, etc.).
    3.) Moreover, in practice, whites and Asians are often "legally" discriminated against due to equal opportunity and/or affirmative action programs.
    4.) As previously, this is either a disingenuous ploy or outright ignorance. "The fact remains" that there are many laws that compels those who do not wish to serve a group, to do so. In Oregon or Iowa, if you don't wish to serve gays due to their sexual orientation, you will be punished.
    5.)More disingenuous tripe. You cannot refuse service to anybody you want if the motivations behind the refusal is banned by law. You cannot refuse to serve 'anyone' if the basis is their race, sex, national origin, religion, sexual orientation, disability, etc..
    6.)Being such an expert, I am surprised you don't know that.
    1.) false based on legality and definition they are
    2.) see #1
    3.) again see #1 EEO/AA protects all of us
    4.) actually its based on facts, AS MY STSTMENT IS WRITTEN, its 100% true and trying to dishonestly change it to something else is a complete failure and straw man.
    if you disagree simply post the law that says "i must serve gays", you will completely fail and your lie or ignorance of the law will be shown.
    5.) thank you for proving me 100% right, see where you use dthe word IF, that proves me right.
    maybe read the thread before you jump in the middle and totally own your own posts.

    the claim was made that there is force to serve protected groupp, that is 100% false. No law exists.

    what you just posted an example of AFTER the if is a law that makes ILLEGAL DISCRIMINATION a crime . . NOT simply not serving anybody who belongs to a groups/

    so the fact remains i can in fact deny service to anybody i want
    what i can not do is violate peoples rights or break the law
    simply denying service does NOT do that

    6.) i did no that and it was exactly my point, thank you for making it for me. Next time try to understand what is being discussed and you wont repeat the mistake you made. Thanks!
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    There's more than just a bit of irony in these situations. The business owner says that he doesn't agree with a person's choices so he chooses not to do business with that person. That person (the one from the tolerance crowd mind you) responds by saying that he does not agree with the business owner's choices so he is going to use the full force of the law to inflict harm on the business owner.

    Tolerance is certainly a complex (and obviously hypocritical) issue
    You are correct. "Tolerance" and bigotry are a two-way street. The gays who are repelled by a baker's religious beliefs and who crave to force the baker to serve them are not being tolerant, they are self-righteous gay crusaders backed force.

    For those who actually are tolerant, its not that difficult. If a person does not want to trade, date, or associate with you...you move on. If you don't want to trade, date, or associate them, they move on. THAT is tolerance.

    But for those that can't move on, like the gay persecutors of the baker(s), they are little more than stalkers - they just can't stand the thought of being rejected and, like all stalkers, wish to destroy those who exercise their right to associate with whom they please.

    Too bad they can't be locked up.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    so the answer is yes they have a choice to refuse to serve them, further proving the lies and falsehoods you have been repeating post after post completely false.

    Good job on admitting you were wrong!
    So on what basis the fine for the Christian bakers then?

    Would seem to me that the same should apply to them, that they have the right to refuse to service the alleged damaged gay couple.
    What basis for the gay couple's complaint? Or are you saying that their complaint is without merit and without basis?
    Or are you saying that the right to refuse to conduct business with another party isn't a right that Christian bakers of wedding cakes should be permitted?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    can ANYBODY please post this imaginary law for me that forces me to serve gays? (or any person based on gender, race, religion, etc)

    anybody?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wedding cakes = wedding cakes. There isnt a distinction between wther they are for interracial couple homosexual couple, bi sexual couple, christian couple etc.
    once again it shows you dont understand this topic
    My response was to a wedding cake that had 2 brides or 2 grooms or 'Steve and Allen, marriage forever' on it.

    Generic, nondescript cakes, I'm not seeing a problem. I've already stated it shouldn't matter who's buying the cake, as their money spends the same, and the same ingredients and labor are involved.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    1.)So on what basis the fine for the Christian bakers then?
    2.)Would seem to me that the same should apply to them, that they have the right to refuse to service the alleged damaged gay couple.
    3.) What basis for the gay couple's complaint?
    4.) Or are you saying that their complaint is without merit and without basis?
    5.)Or are you saying that the right to refuse to conduct business with another party isn't a right that Christian bakers of wedding cakes should be permitted?
    1.) thats what im asking you!? lol
    what is it, answer the question with facts and it will solve all your misconceptions
    2.) they can refuse service to anybody they want in general
    3.) ahhh now you are making progress, answer that question, what is the basis . . in court . . what will be discussed . . i can assure you it most certainly wont be refusal of service
    4.) no thier ACTUAL complaint is 100% justified, what you think the compliant is is worthless and not true.
    5.) nope not saying that either.

    you have the right to swing your fist and move about freely.
    if you decide you want to swing your fist in a space somebody already is and you punch them in the face, do YOU get to complain they infringed on your right to move freely?
    or do they get to complain that you assaulted them and infringed on thier rights by doing so?

    if you find the TRUE, FACTUAL answer to what the complaint, case, breaking the law is about you will answer your own questions.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    can ANYBODY please post this imaginary law for me that forces me to serve gays? (or any person based on gender, race, religion, etc)

    anybody?
    Wouldn't what you're asking fall under the civil rights act?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    1.)My response was to a wedding cake that had 2 brides or 2 grooms or 'Steve and Allen, marriage forever' on it.
    2.)Generic, nondescript cakes, I'm not seeing a problem. I've already stated it shouldn't matter who's buying the cake, as their money spends the same, and the same ingredients and labor are involved.
    1.) yes a WEDDING cake
    2.) that wouldnt be a wedding cake then would it. like the other poster pointed out, i go in to the shop look at a book of WEDDING CAKES and tell them I want number 11. its a done deal. WHen i ask for a black guy on it and white bride they cant illegal discriminate against me based on that.
    if its a genreal public access business they sell wedding cakes or they dont
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryChinaski View Post
    Wouldn't what you're asking fall under the civil rights act?
    civil rights act forces me to serve people based on that stuff? explain
    link to what you speak of?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    wow thats a nice long waste of a post based on your biased and dishonest opinions and feelings that dont matter. LMAO

    Nobody educated, honest and objective falls for "the gay agenda", "force of acceptance", "market will fix itself" dishonesty mentally retard "rhetoric", it just gets mocked and laughed at for the desperation it is.
    Ill stick with the actually topic and go with facts, reality and rights over your views.

    ANd the fact remains:
    there are no laws forcing or compelling anybody to do business with gays or genders, races, sexual orientations, religions etc
    there is no right to service
    there is no force to accept gays or genders, races, sexual orientations, religions etc
    there is no force to serve gays or genders, races, sexual orientations, religions etc
    there is no force to say yes
    religious rights are not infringed
    right to associate is not infringed
    right to a contract is not infringed
    there is a choice

    you challeneges are 0-lifetime against me and nothing has changed
    sorry that equal rights winning conflicts with your wants and views but the war is basically over, these little desperate bigoted last minute battles will end up HELPING equal rights. They will help just like banning did and its sweet sweet irony. THese things give ANOTHER path to be challenged and destroyed in the courts setting a precedence that will further cement in equal rights for my fellow Americans, the ones you so wish didnt have equal rights. MAKES ME PROUD your side is losing and losing big and I chuckle every time i see the hate, dislike and fear that equal rights causes among those that share you views and I thank god america is righting wrongs and improving itself on this front.
    GOod luck though, keep up the good fight against equal rights! We love the entertainment.

    your post fails and facts win again
    So I can open a business that serves only heterosexual white males?
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