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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptic View Post
    No, this is not accurate at all.

    Have you ever noticed those signs stating: "We reserve the right to refuse service"? Those signs are affirming that the owner retains the right to refuse service for reasons not centered on a protected ground. For example:

    - Owner: You cant wear baggy pants here and other clothes that I deem to be street gang wear.
    - Potential customer (black male): But I have legitimate business here.
    - Owner: Then change clothes and come back.

    In short, "Black male wearing bayy pants" is no more a protected class than "white male wearing a rebel pride T-shirt". Both of us can be refused, and I have seen it happen for the baggy pants guys. likewise, a group of CSA afficionados decked out in CSA uniforms was told to leave a shopping mall in Lousiana.
    'We don't offer same sex marriage cakes. It's not a product offering in our product line.' ?
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    That of course is the goal, to force Christians (mostly) out of the marketplace unless they conform to the homosexual agenda. This is what passes for tolerance these days. Conform or be harmed
    Christians that open their doors to the PUBLIC have to conform to the Muslim Agenda, the Jewish Agenda, the Atheist Agenda, the Black/Hispanic/Asian/Etc..... Agenda. I'm crying about them having to also conform to the Homosexual Agenda (TM) by having to serve them....

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Shame on the State of Indiana, especially their bigoted Governor and legislature. You would think that in 2015 we would be beyond this type of hatred and bigotry. This simply shows that for all the progress that America has made, we are still a long ways away from being a country that treats everyone fairly and equally. The bigots will lose.....but the battle remains.
    everyone i know around here is outraged, so don't be so quick to paint the whole state with a broad brush. stickers are going up everywhere making it clear that everyone is welcome. Pence is the worst governor Indiana has had in my lifetime. unfortunately a majority voted for these dip****s or didn't vote; i think turnout was like twenty five percent. hopefully, more people will get off of their asses in 2016 and vote these ****ers out for ruining Indiana's reputation.

    boycotts will do more harm than good, too. major employers and small businesses lobbied against this stupid bill, but they were ignored. they don't deserve to be boycotted, and people who don't even support this don't deserve to lose their jobs because of it.

    what can you do that will help? write, email and call those ****ers at the statehouse until the ****ing phone lines melt. and don't stop when the media stops covering it. keep it up. eventually, they'll have to cave.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    LDS provided significant funding as I recall.
    They pretty much funded the entire measure....and the worst part about it is that they lied about it and engaged in all kind of deception to make it appear that they weren't behind it (because they would lose their non-profit/church tax status).

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm conservative, and I wouldn't have voted for it.
    I don't get from your posting history that you're especially old or even especially religious, which seem to be two of the three most compelling reasons to vote for something like prop 8. So simply being conservative wouldn't have been especially a lot all on its own. We have plenty of fiscal conservatives on this board who couldn't give a rat's ass about opposing ssm.

    Old people - of course, no surprise. Guess what? When we're old, we probably won't be thinking in sync with what our grandkids think, either.
    Of course. I'm still adapting to the fact that I can't say "retard." It appears each generation is cursed to be the next generation's bigots.

    Religious people - the opposition from non-elderly to gay marriage seems to be coming from religious groups.

    58% of the blacks in California voted to oppose SSM. That is statistical history.
    Well, yeah, but when you consider that 82% of Republicans, 85% of conservatives, 84% of church-going, 65% of white protestants, 60% of all catholics, 81% of white evangelicals, and 61% of those 65 and over voted for it, the black vote loses statistical relevance really fast.

    Religion is usually the motivator to opposing SSM and gay lifestyles. That's even what this thread is all about. Mike Pence was explicit that this has to do with religion.
    And age (dying mindset) and conservatism, which figures into the whole idiotic culture war thing.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    everyone i know around here is outraged, so don't be so quick to paint the whole state with a broad brush. stickers are going up everywhere making it clear that everyone is welcome. Pence is the worst governor Indiana has had in my lifetime. unfortunately a majority voted for these dip****s or didn't vote; i think turnout was like twenty five percent. hopefully, more people will get off of their asses in 2016 and vote these ****ers out for ruining Indiana's reputation.

    boycotts will do more harm than good, too. major employers and small businesses lobbied against this stupid bill, but they were ignored. they don't deserve to be boycotted, and people who don't even support this don't deserve to lose their jobs because of it.

    what can you do that will help? write, email and call those ****ers at the statehouse until the ****ing phone lines melt. and don't stop when the media stops covering it. keep it up. eventually, they'll have to cave.
    Oh...I don't doubt that there are a lot of good people in Indiana. I don't mean to label everyone in Indiana as the bigots who passed this legislation. Hell....I was embarassed of my own State when Prop 8 passed. That aside....it reflects poors on the state just like prop 8 did California.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Very few "parade around" now. I can go months without seeing a single gay person parading around. What they do is live life openly, same as you do. Hold hands with their loved one, take them to dinner, to work functions, etc.

    And why shouldn't they demand at least tolerance? They're human beings who deserve the benefit of the doubt same as you and me.
    Funny you should mention that because I have never not tolerated them and not a single one I know or do business with act like some I've met online.

    Obviously the politicians have it all wrong . 8)
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    That of course is the goal, to force Christians (mostly) out of the marketplace unless they conform to the homosexual agenda. This is what passes for tolerance these days. Conform or be harmed
    That is just a crock of BS. How is serving a hamburger to a gay person "Conforming to the "homosexual agenda"? This is nothing more than a return to the pre-civil rights bigotry and discrimination. What's next - Christian only lunch counters and drinking fountains?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    'We don't offer same sex marriage cakes. It's not a product offering in our product line.' ?
    wedding-big-comb.jpg


    Product lines are differentiated by differences in - well - the product. Above is one of the wedding cakes in the Masterpiece Cakes catalog.

    1. What part of this cake identifies this as a "same sex marriage cake" in contrast to a "different sex marriage cake" as opposed to just a "wedding cake"?

    2. What part of this cake is different when purchased by same-sex couples in contrast to different-sex couples:
    A. Is it the recipe?
    B. Is it the materials?
    C. Is it the decoration (notice this cake does not employ toppers or text)?




    Or is the difference not in fact in the cake, the difference being the customers that purchase such a cake.



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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    'We don't offer same sex marriage cakes. It's not a product offering in our product line.' ?
    For me, this is a a grey area. Gays must be allowed to order a generic wedding cake just like a birthday cake. Owner should not need to make it a same sex cake per se:

    owner: Here is your generic wedding cake. No, I am not going to put a "two grooms" center piece on it. No, I am not going to write "Adam and Steve, united in marriage on it".

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