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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That is false. There is no community that discriminates based on religious beliefs. The rules and regulations for opening a business and getting a license to do so are the same for all who wish to do so.
    Yes,and if a business owner does not want to do business that facilitates what he considers wrong behavior, then he is discriminated against by the government.

    What's odd here is that my argument favors allowing private parties, including businesses, to discriminate based on their personal beliefs. The opposing argument favors allowing government to discriminate. The real evil is when government discriminates

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Hiding behind religion to practice bigotry is a crock of chit. If they held their religious convictions so strongly they wouldn't be open. They would have to refuse service to all "sinners".
    WHAT??????????????????????

    Straight people sin?????????? Please....say it ain't true.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Ehhhh.... they are the elected representatives of the people - not the people.



    I shouldn't think you need a law at all, but rather should repeal any current law that says otherwise, though the situation is going to differ from location to location.



    I oppose the government violating an individual's property rights by dictating whom they must give custom to.

    That is the opposite of what a government is supposed to do; a government is supposed to protect our natural human right to property.



    A single person should not have to give custom to anyone, should not have to exchange goods or services or property with anyone. Should he choose to do in voluntary exchange with another, that is their business.
    I don't profess to be a US Constitution expert, but doesn't the Commerce Clause give government the right to do just that - determine the laws and regulations under which intrastate and interstate commerce may be conducted?
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    That's why he served them all holy communion the night before they would all betray him, especially Peter and Judas....


    Morality and the Bible are not a natural mix, puritanical interpretations did not arise until the middle ages when law and order broke down after the fall of the Roman empire....

    The American Christian right is one of the last stubborn bastions against enlightenment....the man hung out with lepers and fed them, does anyone really think He would shun homosexuals?
    Are you comparing lepers to homosexuals?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    And as I said, he didn't facilitate their sin either. Moreover, He said he came to them because they were in need of being healed.
    You can't be "healed" until you die. People still sinned after meeting Jesus.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Did HE help Judas? No


    His inaction enabled him. Enabling is helping. Nice try.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Yes,and if a business owner does not want to do business that facilitates what he considers wrong behavior, then he is discriminated against by the government.

    What's odd here is that my argument favors allowing private parties, including businesses, to discriminate based on their personal beliefs. The opposing argument favors allowing government to discriminate. The real evil is when government discriminates
    False again. No government has special rules for religious owners of businesses that they do not have for non-religious owners of businesses. Discrimination, by definition, is the treatment of one party differently from another for no appreciable reason other than whom they are. No person is forced to open a business that sells to the public. Any person who chooses to open a business that sells to the public shall be entitled to do so provided they follow the rules and regulations established by the municipal entity in which they set up shop, period.

    How about collecting sales tax? Should a business owner be free to refuse to collect sales tax on behalf of the municipality or state because they don't agree with it? Perhaps on religious grounds they disagree with some tax dollars going to support programs for gay people, Muslims, planned parenthood, etc. Should they be allowed to refuse to participate in that sin?
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post


    Can I get a witness?
    Asinine, in the extreme.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post


    His inaction enabled him. Enabling is helping. Nice try.
    Using that logic, doing nothing about (___racism___) enables, and since enables is helping, helps racists... Just enter whatever issue into the blank: the poor, polluters, drug addition, terrorism, etc. Sweet logic!
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    You can't be "healed" until you die. People still sinned after meeting Jesus.
    Not with His help though

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