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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    1.)Refusing to serve protected groups = broke the law = a forced 'yes' = not possible / practical to say no
    2.)As I've been saying all along.
    3.) But you keep denying, saying there's a choice here.
    4.)There's really not. The only choice allowed, the only choice that's acceptable, is 'yes', by the force of the government gun.
    5.)Sure, sure. Kinda getting used to your baseless claim that you are operating on a factual basis. It's little more than opinion and follow the push agenda talking points / narrative.
    1.) false WE ARE ALL PROTECTED GROUPS. all of us and you can in fact refuse service to anybody.
    that is not the law and why there is no force. thank you again for further proving it lol
    you can factually say no and thats already been proven, let us know when you can prove otherwise
    2.) yes we know you keep saying that but facts prove it wrong and it gets destroyed everything. Fact remains you can say no. Its done everyday and my examples prove that. There is 0 force to say yes
    3.) I dont deny anything, facts prove there is a choice.
    4.) already proven 100% false, nobody honest, objective and educated will ever believe that lie
    5.) translation: your post failed, got destroyed again, you cant support it or post one fact proving it so you simply deflect. that's what i thought
    facts win again

    here we go, its like leading a horse to water. question for you.

    Say you are gay, you come into my auto parts store, do i have to server you because you are gay?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So do I. I wouldn't go to a store whose owner hated animals. Isn't having a choice in who you engage in commerce with grand?
    You would think so especially, when you read all the garbage the bigots produce.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I have followed your input and feel it would be a waste of time to discuss it with you.
    Translation: you know that i (like all honest, rational and objective posters) will require you to back up your claims with facts and logic, since you already know that you cant do it, you are conceding.
    I accept your concession. Good move quitting when you know your false claims cant win.
    WHen you can support your false claims let us know please, thank you
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I decided to test my position on this issue by asking, how would I fare discriminating based on political association? In other words, could I discriminate against someone for being a Neo-Nazi? And I said, sure, why not, the bastards are hostile and repugnant to everything I am (though why a Neo-Nazi would want to give money to a Jew is entirely another kind of discussion).

    Whoops! I'd be successfully sued for this, apparently.

    KKK wins lawsuit against bakery for discrimination | Tribune Herald

    Which leads to at least one question: wtf is it with business discrimination lawsuits and bakeries anyway? At one point did the universe declare that humanity's discrimination wars would be waged in our nation's bakeries?
    The three judge panel concluded unanimously that the bakery had violated civil rights laws by discriminating against Saxby when they refused to sell him a cake for his organization’s annual birthday party.

    Elaine Bailey, who owns Bailey Bakeries, refused to bake a cake for the ceremony because it violated her religious beliefs.


    You can't discriminate against them using your religious beliefs as the reason why. This situation is no different than what we're discussing - people using their religious beliefs as a reason to refuse service.

    You can, however, refuse to serve them or engage in commerce with them because they repulse you.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Translation: you know that i (like all honest, rational and objective posters) will require you to back up your claims with facts and logic, since you already know that you cant do it, you are conceding.
    I accept your concession. Good move quitting when you know your false claims cant win.
    WHen you can support you false claims let us know please, thank you
    Nope. You are absolutely wrong. You would not understand the material. Only question would be, whether it was that you didn't read it or couldn't understand it. And I hate that kind of puzzle.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    At least in that you are smart or maybe street wise.
    just one of the many parts of my smarts and reality based/logical thinking
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    Blacks were 7% of the voting population and voted 58% in support of Prop 8.


    Other demographics that had a greater impact were:

    Conservative - 36% of the voting population voting 82% in support of the measure
    Republican - 34% of the voting population voting 81% in support of the measure
    Weekly Religious Services - 45% of the voting population voting 70% of the measure
    Age 65+ - 23% of the voting population voting 67% in support of the measure
    Latino/Hispanic - 14% of the voting population voting 59% in support of the measure



    It would be more accurate to say that Conservatives, Republicans, Religous Folks, older folks, and Latino/Hispanics had more impact on passing Prop 8 than did Blacks.


    http://www.thetaskforce.org/static_h...op8_1_6_09.pdf

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    My point was that blacks voted in favor of Proposition 8 on the same ballot where they voted for Barack Obama and the Democratic candidates. That was in response to his claim that the Republican base "hates gays".

    By that statistic I guess 58% of black voters in California hate gays.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) false WE ARE ALL PROTECTED GROUPS.
    This would render protected groups meaningless, yet there's so much legislation tied to them. So they are not meaningless.
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    all of us and you can in fact refuse service to anybody.
    Perhaps in theory, but not in reality.
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    that is not the law and why there is no force. thank you again for further proving it lol
    So which entity fined the Christian bakers? For refusing to server the couple? That'd be government. So obviously there must be a law to empowered them to assess the fine. Unless this particular government was acting lawlessly, which might be the case. Certainly overreach, if you ask me.
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    you can factually say no and thats already been proven, let us know when you can prove otherwise
    I think I just did.
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    2.) yes we know you keep saying that but facts prove it wrong and it gets destroyed everything. Fact remains you can say no. Its done everyday and my examples prove that. There is 0 force to say yes
    Not in any sort of practical sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    3.) I dont deny anything, facts prove there is a choice.
    Not in any sort of practical sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    4.) already proven 100% false, nobody honest, objective and educated will ever believe that lie
    5.) translation: your post failed, got destroyed again, you cant support it or post one fact proving it so you simply deflect. that's what i thought
    facts win again

    here we go, its like leading a horse to water. question for you.

    Say you are gay, you come into my auto parts store, do i have to server you because you are gay?
    You dare not say no for fear that I try to claim sexual orientation discrimination.
    Regardless of if I can or not, it'd still cost you a ton of money in legal fees to prepare a defense.
    It's a global Jihad, stupid. Allowing that poison into the country is only going to increase the damage it inflicts on others.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    1.)Nope. You are absolutely wrong.
    2.) You would not understand the material.
    3.) Only question would be, whether it was that you didn't read it or couldn't understand it. And I hate that kind of puzzle.
    1.) im sure you have that opinion
    2.) I already proved to understand the topic better than yourself
    3.) yeah i see your dilemma. Do you keep having opinions that are based on falsehoods, denial and fantasy where things are happy in your head or have do you try to support them, totally fail, have destroyed and be ripped from the delusional cloud that surrounds your false claims.
    Its ok some people dont like facts and your views obviously reflect that.

    Like i said, its quite obvious you simply cant support your false claims so you are deflecting, continue as its hilarious. BUT as always if you truly feel your claims are correct, PLEASE feel free to support them with facts, teach me a lesson in front of everybody! But we know that wont happen. The deflections and failed insults will continue. Thanks

    facts win again
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