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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    I get what you are saying. I don't like gays flaunt their healthy bodies and nice clothes in my face. It makes me look bad.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I've never gone to sell something and then withdraw the offer because of any of those thing, even when I could legally do so. Just because you are not like that doesn't that there are not people out there like that. Quite frankly, I'm pretty sure that most of us would not discriminate even were we allowed to do so. But there is a major difference between what one should be legally allowed to do and what they would do.
    Some people need laws to pause them from committing acts that society finds unacceptable. Most people wouldn't rob a bank under any circumstances, but some would, and so we have laws against robbing banks. I'm quite fine with society restricting behaviours that harm other members of society.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Consumerism works both ways, that's what's beautiful about it. For instance there are many, many companies I refuse to do business with specifically and exclusively because of their public political stances.

    See how that works?

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    Intolerance of intolerance is the only way to fight back and defend one's dignity after tactics like the state of indiana has just used

    This analogy fails anyway because an identity like sexuality is not the same as an opinion like politics. Allowing grocery stores to ban all christians would actually be a more valid comparison, yet few of these religious fanatics and especially not the governor would ever tolerate THAT.

    Few would abide banning blacks from restaurants either. Gee, doesn't that sound familiar. Guess indiana hasn't made any progress since jim crow after all. They're just targeting a different minority they don't care for
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Ok, so we're settled, in Indiana, it's ok to discriminate because democracy.
    i believe he referred to a constitutional amendment earlier, so that's where he's coming from. Which is kind of weird because that's at least 3 steps from a democracy

    For these "RFRA" to pass muster in court (they're almost always rejected on a case by case basis), there'd have to be a repeal of "equal protection" and also an amendment specifically allowing such discrimination, since SCOTUS ruled that laws of animus towards a minority are unconstitutional

    Alternatively, the congress could repeal ENDA and the civil rights act, to at least avoid violating equal protection

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Please, the kind of trash who push for these laws live in shanty towns where everyone knows everyone
    So you wish to end discrimination by calling people trash? That seems more like the problem than the solution.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    its not protecting anybody, its infringing on others rights and why when push comes to shove it will completely fail and help solidify equal rights, its awesome actually
    The original intent of RFRA was to protect NA religious practices. The 1993 federal bill was introduced by Congressman Chuck Schumer (D-NY), easily passed in both houses of a majority Democratic Congress, and was signed into law by President Clinton. I highly doubt the 1993 legislators and Clinton ever envisioned this legislation as an enabling tool for discrimination and prejudice against the LGBT community.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    So you wish to end discrimination by calling people trash? That seems more like the problem than the solution.
    No, it's just a factual statement

    Why must everything i say or do be part of some grand strategy to win bigots over? I'd rather just give them what they deserve

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    No, it's just a factual statement

    Why must everything i say or do be part of some grand strategy to win bigots over? I'd rather just give them what they deserve
    So only your bigotry is OK, got it. Can you identify any "shanty town" areas in Indiana so I can do some more research on this phenomenon?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    The original intent of RFRA was to protect NA religious practices. The 1993 federal bill was introduced by Congressman Chuck Schumer (D-NY), easily passed in both houses of a majority Democratic Congress, and was signed into law by President Clinton. I highly doubt the 1993 legislators and Clinton ever envisioned this legislation as an enabling tool for discrimination and prejudice against the LGBT community.
    Why not? in 1993 clinton and the legislatures passed "DA"DT and the "DOMA" solely to discriminate against LGBT

    Their intent doesn't matter anyway because SCOTUS struck down the law as applies to the states. It only upheld the law in narrowly tailored fashion (health coverage for contraceptives) in the federal "hobby lobby" case and made clear the ruling is not to be justification for laws like indiana's "RFRA" that are so broad they would allow discrimination for any circumstance.

    And that's why practically every court has ruled against landlords, "doctors", and employers who tried to use "RFRA" to discriminate
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    So only your bigotry is OK, got it. Can you identify any "shanty town" areas in Indiana so I can do some more research on this phenomenon?
    intolerance of intolerance, /brokenrecord till it sinks in

    The whole state except for a few cities. The kind of places that are 98% white

    I grew up on the indiana border and i'm well aware how damn right wing and impoverished the rural areas are. Even the mayor of indianapolis said he wants to make sure this new law doesn't reflect on his city, as it's the rural bigotry masked as "religious freedom" that is behind it

    Funny how they do not care about the *freedom* of LGBT, not at all

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