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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    That is a voluntary association, is it not?



    No, as all men are created equal and government's role and responsibility is to treat us all equally and protect our rights against aggression. As such. no unit of government should ever be allowed to discriminate.

    A business is not like the government; it is ultimately the property of an individual and that individual has freedom of association and freedom of contract. He or she should never be compelled to give custom to anyone; it is good business sense to make voluntary exchange for profit with the largest number of folks possible, so the incentive is already there to not discriminate.
    Well, since government is the people in a community and they through their representatives determine the laws and regulations that govern that community, why do you favour a collectively enacted law that allows a private business to discriminate and yet oppose the community collectively, through their representatives, enacting a law to discriminate against a business? Do you feel that businesses have a higher level of rights and equality than a single person?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    apparently, he just signed it. Pence is a horrible governor, and this is a national embarrassment. one major convention has already indicated that it will move, and Indiana could potentially lose sporting events. major employers were against it, too. it's going to eventually get tossed out, but not before the economic damage has been done.

    most businesses aren't going to start denying services to gay people, because that would be a ****ing stupid business decision. this is just for a few people who don't want to hand out birth control pills, and a few others who don't like homosexuals. it's an utterly useless and hurtful law. i hope this causes Hoosiers to wake the **** up and take a close look at who they're voting for.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Jesus wouldn't facilitate their sin though
    That's why he stopped Judas from betraying him, right?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    We agree that you haven't provided an argument?

    Hooray.
    Your ideology is out of touch.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    That is exactly what is happening in America. If you want to run your business according to your Christian beliefs, you can literally be forced out of business. That form of discrimination is celebrated by liberals all across America
    That is false. There is no community that discriminates based on religious beliefs. The rules and regulations for opening a business and getting a license to do so are the same for all who wish to do so.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    B.S.

    Those aren't Christian beliefs. Jesus didn't turn sinners away.
    And as I said, he didn't facilitate their sin either. Moreover, He said he came to them because they were in need of being healed.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, since government is the people in a community
    Ehhhh.... they are the elected representatives of the people - not the people.

    why do you favour a collectively enacted law that allows a private business to discriminate
    I shouldn't think you need a law at all, but rather should repeal any current law that says otherwise, though the situation is going to differ from location to location.

    and yet oppose the community collectively, through their representatives, enacting a law to discriminate against a business?
    I oppose the government violating an individual's property rights by dictating whom they must give custom to.

    That is the opposite of what a government is supposed to do; a government is supposed to protect our natural human right to property.

    Do you feel that businesses have a higher level of rights and equality than a single person?
    A single person should not have to give custom to anyone, should not have to exchange goods or services or property with anyone. Should he choose to do so in voluntary exchange with another, that is their business.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    That's why he stopped Judas from betraying him, right?


    That's why he served them all holy communion the night before they would all betray him, especially Peter and Judas....


    Morality and the Bible are not a natural mix, puritanical interpretations did not arise until the middle ages when law and order broke down after the fall of the Roman empire....

    The American Christian right is one of the last stubborn bastions against enlightenment....the man hung out with lepers and fed them, does anyone really think He would shun homosexuals?
    "Small people talk about people, average people talk about events, great people talk about ideas" Eleanor Roosevelt

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    That's why he stopped Judas from betraying him, right?
    Did HE help Judas? No

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Now if we could just put them on a boat with Tom Hanks.

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