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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Wow, I actually read this entire thread. 47 pages of it, no lie. Since my side won the debate, I will choose not to suffer you all with my opinions, but I would like to say that AGENTJ is so awesome!

    Who was it that scared him off? Henrin? Good work man!


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    Yeah the side of hatred won, get real

    Indiana will suffer for this, not just the gay citizens, and it will be much deserved

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Yeah the side of hatred won, get real

    Indiana will suffer for this, not just the gay citizens, and it will be much deserved
    Sure it will.. Those that oppose true freedom and first amendment rights would boycott Indiana? Seems awfully counter-intuitive, no? Oh, maybe you mean gays will boycott Indiana, or those that sympathize with their plight? In that case, yeah, then the evil religious nutjobs will have won, essentially, correct? Isn't the goal here (Sticking to the narrative of course) for Indiana to rid themselves of all those pesky gays?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Sure it will.. Those that oppose true freedom and first amendment rights would boycott Indiana? Seems awfully counter-intuitive, no? Oh, maybe you mean gays will boycott Indiana, or those that sympathize with their plight? In that case, yeah, then the evil religious nutjobs will have won, essentially, correct? Isn't the goal here (Sticking to the narrative of course) for Indiana to rid themselves of all those pesky gays?

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    To "win" they would have to do so without losing in the near future the $50 million gamecon, the NCAA final four, that tech company with billions, tourist income, multi million dollar lawsuits over this unconstitutional law, masses of educated young residents who aren't gay etc. But their hopes to create an anti gay version of the "black codes" without any retribution are a complete fantasy

    Take a look at the incredibly short list of "RFRA" cases that succeed and then try to convince me that this will offer ANY protection in those 12 counties that currently ban discrimination.

    Believe me, gays who can afford it have been flocking out of the ghetto midwest for decades.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Based upon the comments you are responding to "theocracy" is a red herring. One does not have to have a religious reason to discriminate. An atheist can be just as much a homophobe, or racist, or whatever as a supposed Christian. Additionally, by what Belmonds, myself and others are calling for, even Christians could be and would be discriminated against.
    No you're right, it just so happens that every time these laws are proposed, fundamentalist christian groups like the FRC are the main lobbying force. And no, christians are exempt because under federal law they are a "protected class" and since they're like 2/3 of the country, the odds of this happening are significantly smaller. The bill was passed entirely out of hatred of homosexuals, by religious zealots and even called "religious freedom act," making it a theocratic measure by definition

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Hate is a great powerful tool. It unifies the GOP base. The GOP base hates gays more then they are willing to vote for their own interests. And that's exactly how the anti-gay Republican politicians like it.
    This isn't 2004, although repubs are using the same damn hateful tactics. It will doom them in the general election, that is for sure. Haters like this governor, or ted cruz, have no chance of winning the non-bat**** vote

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by freeRadical View Post
    How can another man trample my rights?
    lol you don't think oppressive laws have ever led to violent reaction before? Sometimes it's completely justified even

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    lol you don't think oppressive laws have ever led to violent reaction before? Sometimes it's completely justified even
    That has nothing to do with the post you quoted.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Are you sure that's the case? Generally speaking, a single corporation holding a monopoly on hospital services in such a large area would not be legal under the Clayton Antitrust Act.
    That is besides the point. If someone has a heart attack and needs to be whisked to the nearest hospital...you see where this is going?

    The hospitals all receive federal funding and insurance like medicaid/medicare and are therefore all subject to discrimination and public accomodation laws, in addition to that whole hippocratic oath thing.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Yes, food is essential. Banana smoothies? Not so much.

    Liberty is always a balancing act. For me, personally, the government should only infringe on one's liberty when it GREATLY benefits the people and doesn't overburden them. For example, I am fine with not allowing explosives on commercial planes. The tradeoff is worth it.

    Preventing people from getting their meds is not worth a person's right to do whatever they want. Preventing someone from getting a cake is.

    I do limit this to private non-essential services. Publicly traded corporations should not be able to discriminate. They receive several financial advantages and protections under the law from the government and if they want to enjoy those advantages then they shouldn't be able to discriminate. And of course most grocery stores in the US are publicly traded corporations.

    I think laws should change with the times. I think there was a time in our recent history that public accommodation laws made sense. But I believe we have advanced enough that they are no longer needed. The overwhelming majority of business owners just want to make a profit.
    These "RFRA" do not care to make an exception about daily necessities like food or gas or medical treatment, because the rural voters, politicians, and religious zealots really are that hateful. There is no way to compromise with them. I don't care if it's a bakery for a wedding cake, i would sue the ****ers at the least to put an end to this filth

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    And here we go again.

    The lefts generic, empty and baseless charges of " hate " and " Bigotry ". Its a silly attempt to bully your way into relevance.

    No need for thoughtful diaglogue, just start throwing around vindictives when you dont get your way.

    You realize there are consequences to calling everyone who disagrees with you childish names, right ?

    It marginalizes your position and cheapens your agenda. No one but a few like minded people agree with you and you just wind up isolating yourself and setting yourself up for a huge backlash from the vast majority of Americans who you've just insulted

    I like it. Keep it up !! Good plan !! Lol.
    Yeah that's why support for national gay rights keeps going up. That is some backlash!

    And yes those who oppose it are BIGOTS

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