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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    That's all well and good, but that line between decent and not decent isn't always so clear. And we have all kinds of laws that really do nothing more than tell us to be decent - don't cheat people, kill them, public nuisance laws, don't sell tainted or poisonous products. We are discussing healthcare - there is in fact a law to require hospitals to treat people in the ER without regard to ability to pay. If Cruz gets his wish and ACA is repealed, how many will die for lack of access to health insurance? If it's 100, are we a decent people? 1,000? 100,000? 1 million? Those aren't easy lines to draw.
    Like Sen. Cruz, I hope the Obamacare law is fully repealed. I have no idea if that would cause the death of anyone. And I don't see what any of that has to do with the fact that under the common law a person has no duty to help someone in distress, let alone with the subject of this thread.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    ...and religion, along with the other people who made their votes guided by age and religion. I'm sure you're also quite familiar with the LDS role in Prop 8?
    LDS provided significant funding as I recall.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    and of course that other tiny detail that there's nothing unconstitutional about the act.
    Perhaps it's not unconstitutional, but it's certainly not ethical. It's discrimination and morally obscene just because some people do not fit everyone's ideal.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    The government didn't fine the business (yet as that hearing has not been held), the storefront was closed because business fell off. Market forces at work.


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    Then so be it.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Are you sure that's the case? Generally speaking, a single corporation holding a monopoly on hospital services in such a large area would not be legal under the Clayton Antitrust Act.
    I was sure but your question made me wonder, so I looked. They are not-for-profit. If I understand that correctly, it means they have to abide by federal laws and cannot discriminate, yes? My bad for assuming Taylor. I looked for the nearest not-for-profit, assuming this group was.

    They are known in the area as greedy buggers and are very aggressive with their collection tactics. Also, when hitting the ER, they have been known to tie up patients without insurance (which will now not be a thing) with a financial discussion before moving them on for treatment. Which lead me to believe they were for-profit. Should have done my homework. Tsk, tsk, on me.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Like Sen. Cruz, I hope the Obamacare law is fully repealed. I have no idea if that would cause the death of anyone. And I don't see what any of that has to do with the fact that under the common law a person has no duty to help someone in distress, let alone with the subject of this thread.
    First of all, the subject of helping someone in distress isn't relevant to a thread about the bill Pence signed and the broader discussion about discrimination and RFRA. But you made a comment...

    Second, it was your off topic comment that mentioned that we pride ourselves on "doing the right thing" and being "decent" as a people. Surely that extends beyond the most trivially obvious instance of saving a drowning person when doing do poses no risk to the rescuer. If not we've set a very low bar for ourselves. And as I said, the line between decent and not decent as a people isn't easily drawn.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    Perhaps it's not unconstitutional, but it's certainly not ethical. It's discrimination and morally obscene just because some people do not fit everyone's ideal.
    Yes, and you're upset because these people do not fit your ideal. I mean, it would be great if everyone could respect each other's differences, but probably expecting way too much from both sides.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I was sure but your question made me wonder, so I looked. They are not-for-profit. If I understand that correctly, it means they have to abide by federal laws and cannot discriminate, yes? My bad for assuming Taylor. I looked for the nearest not-for-profit, assuming this group was.

    They are known in the area as greedy buggers and are very aggressive with their collection tactics. Also, when hitting the ER, they have been known to tie up patients without insurance (which will now not be a thing) with a financial discussion before moving them on for treatment. Which lead me to believe they were for-profit. Should have done my homework. Tsk, tsk, on me.
    I believe that even the vast majority of private hospitals must follow the federal law as a condition on their acceptance of federal funding. I'm sure it's only a scant few that resist putting their hands in that purse. It also follows that the type of discrimination hospitals tend to engage in has little to do with things like race or sex or sexual orientation, and a lot to do with whether or not a patient can pay them.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Yes, and you're upset because these people do not fit your ideal. I mean, it would be great if everyone could respect each other's differences, but probably expecting way too much from both sides.
    Unfortunately, Mankind is imperfect. We are maturing, however, even though it looks at the time as if we're retrograding. A decade ago the thought of same sex marriages were unheard of and a couple of decades ago, most Gays were still in the closet. Our culture has come a long way with still much to learn.

    Man is a byproduct of Nature and Mother Nature's children are diverse. Some of her children are black, brown; some pink, some yellow, while some are Gay, Lesbians, transexual, etc. These people must be allowed to live without persecution among us with the same equality. As long as they do not try to force their lifestyle on others, what's wrong with wishing them well. Humans are created equal even if some have different sexual appetites. I am against pedophilia, and priests who molest little altar boys. Indiana Gov. Mike Pence's decision to sign into law a measure that could allow businesses to turn away gay and lesbian customers in the name of "religious freedom" is wrong and an unhealthy move for our society. But things will change like they always do....given time.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    They shove their lifestyle in the faces of too many Americans and it's coming back to bite their butts. When they were simply an oddity that you knew existed but, it didn't affect your day-to-day then no one hardly noticed or cared. You come out and demand everyone accept you or get sued or thrown in jail and people take offence.
    I get what you are saying. I don't like gays flaunt their healthy bodies and nice clothes in my face. It makes me look bad.
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