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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    Well then let's quit doing a half ass job then. If a customer says that they don't want to engage in commerce with a business because the owner is gay, they need to be fined and made to do business with gays.
    The american people do not agree with the libertarians' warped sense of fair play. Instead, they have decided to give the govt the power to regulate businesses but not shoppers. Thankfully, we do not live in a nation where our laws must meet the approval of libertarians.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That's great, but as a member of the majority (white male, dresses mainstream), I don't need to ask myself, "Gee, I wonder if I'll be discriminated against if I try to do business here." A member of the minority would have to deal with that, and would find themselves at a significant disadvantage in the course of doing business, getting an education, etc. By making that type of discrimination illegal you prevent a de facto caste system. If the result of this is that bigots feel irritated by their inability to marginalize the focus of their pettiness, I feel that's an absolutely reasonable price.
    If we're talking about anyone belong allowed to refuse to do business for any reason, as many of us are putting out here, then yes you would have to wonder that, as you may be entering into a minority owned/run business. Maybe it's a woman owned business that refuses to conduct business with men.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com



    Wow. WTF Indiana????
    You trying to out-religious the bible-belt states?
    Is Indiana becoming Mississippi2.0 or something?

    This is going to be interesting to watch.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The minute a person has to take out a license to shop in a municipality, you might actually have a point. Until then, not so much. But I'll humour you and say quite clearly that I've never had occasion where I went to purchase something and either left a store or refused a purchase I wanted to make based on the race, gender, religion, age, or sexual orientation of the owner of the store or salesperson who served me. I'm not a religious person, so I can't say what would possess a person to refuse to be waited upon by someone based on any of the above criteria. That's because I don't discriminate based on who a person is. But I do discriminate based on how I'm treated and/or the actions of an individual I'm interacting with. I don't suffer fools lightly and they get none of my time.
    I've never gone to sell something and then withdraw the offer because of any of those thing, even when I could legally do so. Just because you are not like that doesn't that there are not people out there like that. Quite frankly, I'm pretty sure that most of us would not discriminate even were we allowed to do so. But there is a major difference between what one should be legally allowed to do and what they would do.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    They simply don't know the history of the KKK in Indiana in the 1920s with D.C. Stephenson.
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    You have no idea believe me. We were the origin of the KKK.
    As far back as I have looked, Indiana has almost always voted with the Confederate South--and switched parties with them .
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It's one of the beautiful things about the common law we inherited from England that it does not impose a duty to rescue in most cases. Justice Holmes once noted that a man can sit on a pier, calmly having a smoke, while only a few yards away a helpless woman is drowning, and even if he never lifts a finger to help the law can do nothing to him. In most other countries, that is not the case. Maybe the people there know too many of them are not quite what they should be.

    In England and America, at least, it has been a source of pride for centuries that free, civilized people do not need any law to make them do the right thing--that it is a slight to our honor to assume we need anyone to tell us to be decent. Our law has always assumed that a situation like Holmes described, even if it can be imagined in theory, is in fact unthinkable.
    That's all well and good, but that line between decent and not decent isn't always so clear. And we have all kinds of laws that really do nothing more than tell us to be decent - don't cheat people, kill them, public nuisance laws, don't sell tainted or poisonous products. We are discussing healthcare - there is in fact a law to require hospitals to treat people in the ER without regard to ability to pay. If Cruz gets his wish and ACA is repealed, how many will die for lack of access to health insurance? If it's 100, are we a decent people? 1,000? 100,000? 1 million? Those aren't easy lines to draw.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    If we're talking about anyone belong allowed to refuse to do business for any reason, as many of us are putting out here, then yes you would have to wonder that, as you may be entering into a minority owned/run business. Maybe it's a woman owned business that refuses to conduct business with men.
    It's a theoretical "wonder" only. In reality, discrimination of the type we're discussing isn't going to confront a white, Christian male in this country even one time in a lifetime. Exceptions would be exceedingly rare, like seeing a white rhino in the wild.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    That is exactly what is happening in America. If you want to run your business according to your Christian beliefs, you can literally be forced out of business. That form of discrimination is celebrated by liberals all across America
    I have a lot of rentals. I admit, I discriminate. Over many years of renting I have a good profile of good and bad renters. And this profile does show a pattern with specific groups of people. This includes homosexuals. Do I tell them outright, "Sorry, your type has an issue with paying your bills.." Um, No.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Depends on the district you're living in, which may have a good samaritan law.
    I haven't done a study of duty-to-help laws in all fifty states, but "good samaritan" laws as I understand them affect people who have already begun to help someone in distress. Their usual purpose is to encourage people to help, e.g. drivers who come upon people injured in a crash, by exempting them from liability provided they exercise reasonable care. These laws normally require the helper to finish what he started--i.e. you can't begin to help and then just walk away, maybe leaving the person in a worse position than when you found him. Your responsibility normally ends when police or medical help arrives. I think a person who would not help someone whose life was in danger for fear of being sued is despicable.

    There may be state laws that now impose a duty to help on anyone who can, I don't know. Too bad, if so. But that duty did not exist in the common law.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    And they still have the huge fine hanging over their heads, and didn't they have a nice little storefront before? Yeah, they are completely undamaged.

    The government didn't fine the business (yet as that hearing has not been held), the storefront was closed because business fell off. Market forces at work.


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