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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    And they still have the huge fine hanging over their heads, and didn't they have a nice little storefront before? Yeah, they are completely undamaged.
    boo hoo

    seriously im so unmoved by that i refuse to even use proper punctuation grammer or spelling to express it

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes, and that overlap is primarily age and religiosity, and that if you take those factors into account the black factor is no longer relevant to the passing of Prop 8.
    Well, no. Substantial black defection from the left coalition was enough to make the difference.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Well, no. Substantial black defection from the left coalition was enough to make the difference.
    And what was the reason for black people deviating from the typical liberal position? The pigmentation in their skin? No, it was age and religiosity, the same two factors (among conservatism, where applicable) that overlapped pretty much all the demographics.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And what was the reason for black people deviating from the typical liberal position? The pigmentation in their skin? No, it was age and religiosity.
    The point is that on this question alone they voted with their age mates.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well, I don't think that makes any sense. If I fail to save some guy that fell overboard I didn't kill him and more likely no one else did. The guy just fell off the boat. No one is responsible for that.
    It's one of the beautiful things about the common law we inherited from England that it does not impose a duty to rescue in most cases. Justice Holmes once noted that a man can sit on a pier, calmly having a smoke, while only a few yards away a helpless woman is drowning, and even if he never lifts a finger to help the law can do nothing to him. In most other countries, that is not the case. Maybe the people there know too many of them are not quite what they should be.

    In England and America, at least, it has been a source of pride for centuries that free, civilized people do not need any law to make them do the right thing--that it is a slight to our honor to assume we need anyone to tell us to be decent. Our law has always assumed that a situation like Holmes described, even if it can be imagined in theory, is in fact unthinkable.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The point is that on this question alone they voted with their age mates.
    ...and religion, along with the other people who made their votes guided by age and religion. I'm sure you're also quite familiar with the LDS role in Prop 8?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Govt can regulate business. I know you don't like that but we don't live in the libertarian dictatorship
    Well then let's quit doing a half ass job then. If a customer says that they don't want to engage in commerce with a business because the owner is gay, they need to be fined and made to do business with gays.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    It's one of the beautiful things about the common law we inherited from England that it does not impose a duty to rescue in most cases. Justice Holmes once noted that a man can sit on a pier, calmly having a smoke, while only a few yards away a helpless woman is drowning, and even if he never lifts a finger to help the law can do nothing to him. In most other countries, that is not the case. Maybe the people there know too many of them are not quite what they should be.

    In England and America, at least, it has been a source of pride for centuries that free, civilized people do not need any law to make them do the right thing--that it is a slight to our honor to assume we need anyone to tell us to be decent. Our law has always assumed that a situation like Holmes described, even if it can be imagined in theory, is in fact unthinkable.
    Depends on the district you're living in, which may have a good samaritan law.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    And they still have the huge fine hanging over their heads, and didn't they have a nice little storefront before? Yeah, they are completely undamaged.
    How much is the fine?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Seriously? So if your daughter falls overboard and some man is 10 feet away with a rope and life preserver and instead of throwing it to your daughter and saving her life, he grabs another beer and continues watching the beautiful sunset. You're good with that?

    Of course you wouldn't be - you know it, we know it - if you're a normal human being, you're likely to rip his head off if given half a chance, so why make this pretense that it's morally neutral? Literally no one would conclude that if it was their loved one who wasn't saved.
    My argument was not dealing with the moral aspect of the situation, but only the factual aspect of the situation. Morally speaking if someone is in trouble you should do you best to help them and if you don't I have no problem with people condemning you for your failure to do so.

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