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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    1.)So aren't you a black man?
    2.)Why do you support these laws?
    1.)Yes I am
    2.) what laws? the ones you claim that exists do not

    your question was "Why would minorities desire to impose their will on businesses if they didn't get anything from it?"
    I dont fit that mold or know anybody who does
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    great, and I agree.

    but it really comes down to speech. people boycott a place as a form of speech. why can't that speech cut both ways?
    I absolutely agree. And I know without even reading this thread that there are probably many posts that say "But the LAW says....". That's why these threads always break down. And there are probably posts like "But should a hospital be allowed to decline treatment to a gay patient?" and other hypotheticals like that. And the usual uses of "bigot!" and other name callings. KKK references, that sort of thing.

    To your point, it should work both ways. I say that all the time about this issue. Either make it so everyone has to be served, or leave it up to the discretion of the business owner who he serves. The market takes care of itself. If refusing to serve gay men or cigarette smokers or people with beards or blondes or polygamists offends people, they won't go to the business, and it will suffer. The article says how all of these businesses are going to pack up and leave Indy because of this. That's what they said was going to happen in Arizona, too. It didn't.

    I understand we can't go back to the days when it was acceptable to not serve blacks and women and Irish and Japanese and so on. But I really also don't believe that in this country, it would become industry standard.

    And I don't want to know who loves who, and nobody should know who I love. Why does anyone care what consenting adults do?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.)Yes I am
    2.) what laws? the ones you claim that exists do not

    your question was "Why would minorities desire to impose their will on businesses if they didn't get anything from it?"
    I dont fit that mold or know anybody who does
    You support anti-discrimination laws, so clearly you support forcing your will on business owners. Is it wrong of me to ask you why you support anti-discrimination laws?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    Your Orwellian doublespeak just strengthens my point

    “They have the right to do what you tell them to do.”

    "no shirt, no shoes, no service"

    that is a form of discrimination. they clearly have the right to discriminate.
    No, you are stretching.
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    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    This is america, we don't allow discrimination. You want to live in a theocracy, there are plenty of miserable places you can move to.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do you believe businesses must serve people?

    Depends.

    If they need to close the store for say a death in the family, no. If they refuse to serve someone because they have red hair, yes. Plain and simple, it's discrimination.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So if my boss sent me to you because you're who he has an account with, you really think I have a right to go somewhere else and spend his money?

    That's a very strange opinion you have their.
    Did that leap hurt?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    The damage to the black community from all this will be devastating.
    Not only on public perception and reputation, but cops simply won't want to police these neighborhoods anymore.
    The shooter was later found to be white.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    For profit "membership clubs" are typically not except from Public Accommodation laws. To be exempt they have to be: Not-for-Profit, have bylaws and criteria, have a restrictive membership relative to the statement membership, and be governed by an elected board of the members.


    Nobody would think that Costco, Sam's Club, and BJ's Warehouse would be exempt from Pubic Accommodation laws even though people pay a membership fee to join.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    "But should a hospital be allowed to decline treatment to a gay patient?" and other hypotheticals like that.
    Supposedly that happened today, in Indiana. A gay man went to the doctor, he was refused treatment.

    If true that not imaginary, it's real.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Depends.

    If they need to close the store for say a death in the family, no. If they refuse to serve someone because they have red hair, yes. Plain and simple, it's discrimination.
    So? What's wrong with discrimination?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Every time this comes up though it's the Republicans. It's the Republican politicians in the red states.

    I don't know what to tell you. There's a pattern.
    If I recall correctly, it was the black voters who passed Proposition 8 in the blue state of California. They aren't Republicans.

    I also don't recall anything in the Republican platform about denying service to gay people. And I also recall earlier in this month when 300+ Republican lawmakers publicly appealed to SCOTUS to recognize same sex marriage nationally.

    Mike Pence doesn't speak for the RNC or the Republican base. Nor do his actions indicate that Republicans "hate gays". He's doing what he thinks is best for his state and to ensure that the religious people in his state aren't forced into commerce against their will.
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