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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    The new fix seems to add sexual orientation to anti-discrimination laws.

    This chapter does not:

    (I) authorize a provider to refuse to offer or provide services,

    facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment,
    or housing to any member or members of the general public
    on the basis of race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national
    origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or
    United States military service;

    (2) establish a defense to a civil action or criminal prosecution
    for refusal by a provider to offer or provide services, facilities,
    use of public accommodations, goods, employment, orhousing
    to any member or members of the general public on the basis
    of race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin,
    disability, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, or United
    States military service;
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers - CNN.com



    Wow. WTF Indiana????
    You trying to out-religious the bible-belt states?
    Is Indiana becoming Mississippi2.0 or something?

    This is going to be interesting to watch.
    Wow, another thread that will bring out the gay and lesbian supporters in droves. What is wrong with you people? If you don't like a business, don't buy from them. Why is it you have to go to the courts to overturn the will of the people and force the courts to do what you have the right to do every day, the freedom to choose where to spend your money?

    If a business owner spends his/her own money they should have the right to make stupid decisions and do make them every day. Seems that in today's world there are no consequences for making a bad choice. If business owners want to prevent customers from coming into their business why should the courts overturn that? Where is it in the Constitution that governs individual stupidity?

    Come on, this is typical liberalism run amuck as they always do.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Has Tammy Bruce ever met an anti-gay argument she didn't agree with?
    “The left is trying to burn down businesses that do not comply,” Bruce told her radio listeners.
    1 tweet directed at one pizzeria. ONE. Has turned into 'the left is trying to burn down businesses.......'?

    This is why people who sit there all day listening to 1 point of view like these conservative pundits and AM radio entertainers like Limbaugh usually are less informed. People got to get their news from more then 1 source.

    Jeez.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    1 tweet directed at one pizzeria. ONE. Has turned into 'the left is trying to burn down businesses.......'?

    This is why people who sit there all day listening to 1 point of view like these conservative pundits and AM radio entertainers like Limbaugh usually are less informed. People got to get their news from more then 1 source.

    Jeez.
    Less informed? You seem to believe that businesses don't have the right to make stupid decisions when they happen every day. If someone invests their own money into a business especially those that have competition why do you or anyone else give a damn about whether or not they choose not to serve someone with their opposite point of view? Don't buy from them, change the channel when there are programs you don't like. Let the market decide.

    There is outrage here over conservative radio and the question is why are you so jealous? Why do you care what some conservative announcer says and why is it you nor others rather than changing the channel try to put these individuals out of business?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Maybe it won't be long before one has to bear a mark of identification in order to engage in business where only those ascribing to the liberal ideology will bear that mark
    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    Discrimination is part of liberty. Not everyone is prepared to actually be free
    Who is to be the judge then as to which persons are appropriately "prepared to actually be free"?

    Now I think you aren't a fascist but you should realise that statements such as these of yours were certainly used in Europe a 'few' years ago as justification for what we see today as atrocities.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Has Tammy Bruce ever met an anti-gay argument she didn't agree with?
    Don't think she's anti-gay, but she does have an interesting perspective.
    Bruce's website describes her as a "gay, pro-choice, gun-owning, pro-death penalty, Tea Party Independent conservative" who "worked on a number of Democratic campaigns in 1990s, including the 1992 Boxer and Feinstein Senate races and the Clinton for President campaign" and "also has a history of supporting Republicans as well, including President Reagan, both Presidents Bush and, quite reluctantly, John McCain during the 2008 presidential campaign."[2]
    Tammy Bruce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A gay, pro-choice, TEA Party supporter. Guess that throws all the claims of the TEA Party being nothing but full of bigots right out the window.
    More baseless left distortions.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Ah yes. Anyone who disagrees is mindless and spineless. Is that what you're saying? The CEO's and their army of lawyers of Apple and Walmart are so stupid and spineless that they are being manipulated by the left?
    You needn't ask what I am saying - I already plainly said it.

    If you read the bill, and the prior analysis I have given (and the links) ONLY an idiot or the cynically dishonest would conclude the bill was written differently in order to protect discrimination. It had to do with providing a religious exemption defense to a broader range of litigants, in a broader number of judicial proceedings. To the degree that ANY RFRA can apply in a discrimination complaint (which is usually not much) this law is no different.

    And I am saying that the public is being manipulated, and that corporations (and most business) do not care about religious liberty; but do care about public image, employee image, and profits. Hence, they are either spineless, dishonest, benighted, or manipulated and therefore joined the bandwagon. How do we know this? BECAUSE there is no other explanation. IF YOU READ THE FRIGGIN BILL YOU WOULD SEE THAT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR PUBLIC MORAL POSTURING.

    If so, why should they care what "their army of lawyers" think of the bill? They ONLY care about the social benefits of hurrying on stage to mouth social justice platitudes - especially important for Wallmart, who is deeply hated by, and frequently opposed by, some contingent of local left loons whenever it attempts to expand business.

    BTW the REPUBLICAN mayor of Indianapolis begged Pence BEFORE he signed to bill not to sign it. So it's not just the evil liberals and the spineless CEO's, but it's also some some Republican politicians right in the state who sees this bill for what it is.
    It's impossible to 'see it for what it is' if some see it as evil, because the Bill is not what some of those individuals say it is. I've read it. Have you? Have you read any detailed extended analysis? Thought not.

    You can quote another one billion people that also say 2 plus 2 equals 5. But it's just as false when one person says it.

    Speaking of spineless. For once I would love to see a modern day conservative take the blame for something. Instead of always pointing fingers at the left, or the liberal media, it's always someone elses fault. Simply admit Pence and Hutchinson and the Republicans in the states governments screwed up. They wrote crappy bills that were too broad and vague and then tried to say their bills mirrored the Fed RFRA, but they do not mirror the Fed bill. And they got caught. They need to fix the bills and move on.
    More projecting? Why would you "love" to see a conservative take blame for a likely political loss? Is it a crime to lose? Is it a crime to cause controversy by trying to do something you believe in? Only someone who believes (as most liberals do) that political outcomes (winning) prove a moral proposition's truth might express your view.

    There is nothing wrong with controversy, there is something morally wrong with unreasoning mobs and lying smears so as to polarize on a false premise. Until you honor reason and honesty, you will never see it for what it is (rather than what you and others want it to be).
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfsgirl View Post
    The new fix seems to add sexual orientation to anti-discrimination laws.
    What this fix does is make clear that *the Indiana RFRA* cannot be used to discriminate against LGBT.

    However, sexual-orientation/gender-identity is still not a statewide protected civil-rights class in the state of Indiana.

    With this RFRA fix then, the potential for LGBT discrimination in Indiana has been lessened, but LGBT discrimination in Indiana is not yet illegal statewide as it is in neighboring Illinois.


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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Don't think she's anti-gay, but she does have an interesting perspective.
    Tammy Bruce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A gay, pro-choice, TEA Party supporter. Guess that throws all the claims of the TEA Party being nothing but full of bigots right out the window.
    More baseless left distortions.
    She was also the President of NOW in LA. The anti-gay and anti-woman shtick won't sell.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Don't think she's anti-gay, but she does have an interesting perspective.
    Tammy Bruce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A gay, pro-choice, TEA Party supporter. Guess that throws all the claims of the TEA Party being nothing but full of bigots right out the window.
    More baseless left distortions.
    I've been watching and reading Tammy Bruce for well over a decades. She's a bisexual who calls herself a lesbian and does nothing but disparage the people she claims to be a part -- she one mixed up, self-hating piece of work.

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