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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Okay, I will.

    That should be legal.

    I certainly don't approve of it, but there is no rational basis whatsover to compel them to give custom.

    It is worth noting that during the time of Jim Crow laws commonly made such discrimination mandatory - that is equally unacceptable intrusion into the property rights of a business owner.


    The free market is a voluntary exchange of goods, services, and property. The government has no business interfering with such voluntary exchanges.
    I have to disagree with you here.

    Do you also believe that private businesses should be allowed to exercise similar employment discrimination? It's the obvious extension/conclusion.

    Likewise, do you believe that a city or municipality should be able to discriminate about who can operate a private business? How far down the slope do you want to slide?
    A Canadian conservative is one who believes in limited government and that the government should stay out of our wallets and out of our bedrooms.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Business owners ought not to have to bend to every protected class. Especially ones that go against their personal faith.

    This is a backlash against the actions of unelected Federal judges who over-ride the wishes of the majority of a states voters.
    Hiding behind religion to practice bigotry is a crock of chit. If they held their religious convictions so strongly they wouldn't be open. They would have to refuse service to all "sinners".
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    This is america, we don't allow discrimination. You want to live in a theocracy, there are plenty of miserable places you can move to.
    We discriminate all the time. Discrimination is actually people exercising liberty. Non-discrimination laws are government exchanging the liberties of one person for the security of another.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    Then I'll think any business that actually does so is run by a dickhead and I'll probably go on social media to complain about them.

    I still won't think I need a law to force anyone to sell me ****.
    Should hospitals refuse to treat gay people?
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    This is america, we don't allow discrimination. You want to live in a theocracy, there are plenty of miserable places you can move to.
    I am an atheist in a mixed race marriage and I think private, non-essential businesses should be able to discriminate for whatever stupid reason they want. And we have the right to publicly shame them out of business. I sure don't want a theocracy.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    So, a store could decide not to sell to blacks, or christians or disabled or vets?
    Why not?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I have to disagree with you here.

    Do you also believe that private businesses should be allowed to exercise similar employment discrimination? It's the obvious extension/conclusion.
    Yes indeed.

    Likewise, do you believe that a city or municipality should be able to discriminate about who can operate a private business? How far down the slope do you want to slide?
    That's what cities and municipalities are doing now. They're telling people that if they don't operate their business in the way the city demands, even when doing so violates their consciences, they can't operate the business. Indiana and Mike Pence are avoiding that error

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I have to disagree with you here.

    Do you also believe that private businesses should be allowed to exercise similar employment discrimination?
    That is a voluntary association, is it not?

    Likewise, do you believe that a city or municipality should be able to discriminate about who can operate a private business? How far down the slope do you want to slide?
    No, as all men are created equal and government's role and responsibility is to treat us all equally and protect our rights against aggression. As such. no unit of government should ever be allowed to discriminate.

    A business is not like the government; it is ultimately the property of an individual and that individual has freedom of association and freedom of contract. He or she should never be compelled to give custom to anyone; it is good business sense to make voluntary exchange for profit with the largest number of folks possible, so the incentive is already there to not discriminate.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Should hospitals refuse to treat gay people?
    Healthcare is a service. A privately owned hospital is absolutely a business.

    There are public hospitals.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Should hospitals refuse to treat gay people?
    Let's keep the context. The topic is about whether business SHOULD do something. It's about whether they should be allowed to do it

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