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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Thank you for the deep, mature and well thought out response. Good thing they have emoticons here or you would be rendered speechless.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    You are incorrect. The baker didn't refuse to sell a cake to a person BECAUSE they were gay. There is a difference between refusing to serve gays and refusing to sell your services to the furtherance of a gay event. The former is a form of bigotry, the latter a matter of conscience. Liberals just have a very tough time telling the two apart because so few things are a matter of conscience to them
    just like i said when you made this false claim in the other thread:
    by definition it is in fact pure bigotry

    its the same type of bigotry as i serve blacks but only if they come to the back door and eat, they cant come through the front because they are lessers and not as good as white

    or the same bigotry as I hire women but Ill never make them a boss because they are lessers and not as good as men

    i serve gays but i dont give them wedding cakes because they are lessers and not worthy of marriage

    by definition its bigotry

    feelings, opinions, conscience and religion etc doesnt change the definition of bigotry
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left would do better in trying to repeal the federal RFRA, passed by democrats.
    That law was originally passed to protect religious minorities ... like Native Americans smoking peyote in a religious ceremony. LGBT wasn't even on the scene then.

    But this originally noble legislation is being manipulated 20 years later for totally different effects.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    just like i said when you made this false claim in the other thread:
    by definition it is in fact pure bigotry

    its the same type of bigotry as i serve blacks but only if they come to the back door and eat, they cant come through the front because they are lessers and not as good as white

    or the same bigotry as I hire women but Ill never make them a boss because they are lessers and not as good as men

    i serve gays but i dont give them wedding cakes because they are lessers and not worthy of marriage

    by definition its bigotry

    feelings, opinions, conscience and religion etc doesnt change the definition of bigotry
    Define bigotry. A dictionary definition please, not what you want it to be. Then explain how me not baking a cake for a gay wedding is bigotry.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Style, noise, and feelings over the facts of the matter and pro-left propaganda spread far and wide in over-coverage in the news BLSM.

    Textbook libbo operation!
    Hobby lobby and hands up dont shoot come to mind.

    This is merely the latest example, and while more important issues, like the Iran talks are going on (and failing).

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    That law was originally passed to protect religious minorities ... like Native Americans smoking peyote in a religious ceremony. LGBT wasn't even on the scene then.

    But this originally noble legislation is being manipulated 20 years later for totally different effects.
    It wasn't that long ago, the 1990's-the same era that Bill Clinton passed the defense of marriage act. But this merely illustrates the law of unintended consequences-which is one reason power should be diffuse and laws should be minimized.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Hobby lobby and hands up dont shoot come to mind.

    This is merely the latest example, and while more important issues, like the Iran talks are going on (and failing).
    Agreed. All show, and little substance, well substance of any value anyway, and all emotion and little logic, as Obama's foreign policy goes careening from one disaster to another, one ill-considered position to another.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Define bigotry. A dictionary definition please, not what you want it to be. Then explain how me not baking a cake for a gay wedding is bigotry.
    GLADLY! you know i have already dont this in some of these threads right?
    i would never use my own version because that would be mentally retarded, i use the facts and actual defintion thats why your claim failed

    Bigot - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
    Bigot
    : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

    treating them different and not making them a cake based on thier own prejudice and opinions of gay people (a group) who they feel through thier intolerance are not equal to them, not good enough for marriage and lessers so thier rights (or the law) dont matter

    like i said by definition they are bigots and its bigotry

    also notice that the definition of bigotry doesnt mention exemptions. Religion, conscience and feelings dont change the fact its bigotry

    im a chrisitian myself and if i denied service to gays or a service based on it being a gay that i give to others that would in fact make me a bigot
    facts win again
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    I notice Baier did not explain why any differences from the federal RFRA are significant. The Indiana law creates a cause of action for private persons in civil suits that do not involve government, which the federal RFRA does not, but I don't consider that significant. Whatever state public accommodation law one private person might use to sue another, the question would still be whether the state law--a government action--violated the person's constitutional right to the free exercise of religion as defined by the state's RFRA.

    As the Supreme Court interpreted the federal RFRA in Hobby Lobby, it includes both the other provisions of the Indiana RFRA Baier referred to: it is available to private persons as a defense in a suit; and those private persons may include for-profit corporations--like Hobby Lobby. It may be that other state RFRA's do not include these provisions simply because they were passed before the Hobby Lobby decision. Some of those states may choose to amend their RFRA's to reflect that decision.

    By the way, the Hobby Lobby decision turned on the same "least burdensome means" requirement that state RFRA's, including Indiana's, incorporate. HHS already had another rule which relieved for-profit religious corporations of the duty to cover contraceptives in their employee health care plans. The Court held that HHS had not shown why that rule, which burdened the right to free exercise of religion of Hobby Lobby's owners less than the rule they were objecting to, could not be extended to other for-profit corporations like Hobby Lobby.

    The attacks on this law make even more clear just how hostile to First Amendment freedoms pseudo-liberals are. There is nothing truly liberal about these people, millions of whom are now taking up space in this country. They don't like the First Amendment any better than the Second. In fact they have contempt for the Constitution generally, just like their president, whose rear they are always trying to guard.
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