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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The law didn't have time to come into effect. The American people wouldn't stand for it.
    Please tell us what specific part of the Constitution this alleged authority of "the American people" to determine what laws a state may enact is based on. If the Indiana legislature chose to make a law requiring dog owners to have their pets wear diapers in all public places, whether "the American people" approved of that law's intrusion on the freedom of Indiana dog owners would not matter one iota.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    SCOTUS declared that the federal law narrowly pre-empted State and Local authorities when it attempted to limit their actions. It is therefore incumbent upon states to pass the same or similar language if they wish to ensure their citizens rights remain protected.



    legally there isn't. Politically there is, due to the hyperbolic hysteria going on. Hopefully then blood pressures will come down, people will pull their skirts off their heads, folks will take an actual rational look at what it means to apply a strict scrutiny standard, and the self-aware liberals will feel a bit embarrassed about the whole thing, while the majority will simply either pretend it never happened, or refuse to look at the material.
    Sorry....but frankly that doesn't make any sense. Why did Pence refuse to answer the question 6 TIMES...if the law didn't do exactly what the critics have claimed? Why would the law have to be changed if the law didn't allow for what the critics have claimed.

    By your post....Mike Pence is either a liar or a complete idiot. Which do you think he is?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Sorry....but frankly that doesn't make any sense. Why did Pence refuse to answer the question 6 TIMES...if the law didn't do exactly what the critics have claimed? Why would the law have to be changed if the law didn't allow for what the critics have claimed.
    ...I answered this question already. See that second section?
    “In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Please tell us what specific part of the Constitution this alleged authority of "the American people" to determine what laws a state may enact is based on. If the Indiana legislature chose to make a law requiring dog owners to have their pets wear diapers in all public places, whether "the American people" approved of that law's intrusion on the freedom of Indiana dog owners would not matter one iota.
    If you don't know the answer....I suggest that you take a conlaw course. There is a little something in the Constitution called "Equal protection" and the 14th Amendment. You might want to read them sometime.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ...I answered this question already. See that second section?
    No you didn't. That was just rhetoric. Why did Pence refuse to answer a simple yes/no question 6 times if the law didn't do what the critics claimed?

    Is Pence a liar or an idiot?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    No you didn't. That was just rhetoric.
    Yeah. Dismissing an actual answer that someone gives you as "just rhetoric" isn't actually responding, DD. It's just demonstrating an inability to process new information. There isn't any legal need to rewrite the bill or alter it in any way. This is a political move to get the idiots to calm down and go away.

    Why did Pence refuse to answer a simple yes/no question 6 times if the law didn't do what the critics claimed?
    i have no idea, having no idea what you are referencing. But that is a different question than the one I was answering, and it is thus a bit of a strawman for you to attempt to conflate the two.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You spent time arguing that your question (as part of a larger discussion) was about Indiana. Now that I've pointed out that your question said nothing about a specific state, you've moved on to saying it's about a state other than California. Well, alright. I won't bother asking you "Which is it?" because you don't seem to know. More importantly, your question - once again - said nothing about what states were excluded or included. En tout cas, The pattern remains the same in other states with sizeable liberal populations:

    Illinois | Lambda Legal
    Maine | Lambda Legal
    Vermont | Lambda Legal
    New York | Lambda Legal
    Massachusetts | Lambda Legal
    Oregon | Lambda Legal
    Washington | Lambda Legal
    Hawaii | Lambda Legal
    Rhode Island | Lambda Legal
    Delaware | Lambda Legal
    New Jersey | Lambda Legal
    Iowa | Lambda Legal (I included this one because it's voted Democratic in 6 out of the last 7 fed. elections; however, it's not essential to my case)
    Maryland | Lambda Legal
    Minnesota | Lambda Legal
    Colorado | Lambda Legal

    Remember, you asked how liberals would deal with your hypothetical. Not how liberals in Indiana, or anywhere except California would deal with your hypothetical. I answered accordingly. However, those links only cover workplace discrimination. This one covers non-discrimination laws as they relate to public accomodations:

    https://www.aclu.org/maps/non-discri...nformation-map

    Every single once I've mentioned is included. My answer remains true in 14 other examples of liberal states where people can't be discriminated against based on their sexual orientation. Is there any liberal state you'd like to specifically touch on? Texas, maybe?



    Is this the part where you rant about the left because I ignored your rant on Obama? Oh okay, cool. It doesn't change the fact that you asked a question that would be easily answered if you knew a bit about laws, views, and cases concerning discrimination in the most liberal state in the contiguous union. Pointing out that it's the same pattern in other liberal states? Now you just look uninformed about what goes on in other states as well as California. However, it's fun to watch you do the shuffle.
    Listen close, Hatuey.

    Go back and read my posts in this thread again. The scope of my comments includes potential situations where anti-gay marriage supporters are being discriminated against, and how the ACLU, etc might go about selecting a case.

    Essentially you are having a discussion with yourself here. I recommend you read before you post.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Yeah. Dismissing an actual answer that someone gives you as "just rhetoric" isn't actually responding, DD. It's just demonstrating an inability to process new information. There isn't any legal need to rewrite the bill or alter it in any way. This is a political move to get the idiots to calm down and go away.



    i have no idea, having no idea what you are referencing. But that is a different question than the one I was answering, and it is thus a bit of a strawman for you to attempt to conflate the two.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Not.the.same.law.

    Gosh, this gets tiring to have to repeat to people who keep popping in, thinking they are saying something that hasn't been discussed about 1,000 times now.
    You are going to have to do better than snarky remarks and some jerky. presentation. of. words. The website I linked to shows the insignificant differences, and the irony that Connecticut's law is actually tougher than Indiana's, while the governor is banning travel to IA, LOL!

    Refresh my memory, didn't Clinton sign that fedral law? Oh, yes, he did. And made a point to get the press there and speak about it's significance and how it's not just another bill to be signed quietly in the oval office. Chuck Shumer, proudly declaring his support, and I'm sure every little lemming followed behind.


    Man, the left... this would be comedy gold if you guys weren't so dangerous. Whoa, no travel to Indiana!
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    This has explained time and time again in this thread. So for the last time.

    The Fed and Illinois laws were narrowly written as to protect the rights of minorities against the Fed and State government. Indiana's law is a broad, poorly-written blank check so private individuals can undermine the rights of others.

    Also it allows the State of Indiana to supersede local ordinances that protects minorities.
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