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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Asking about the intention of the bill (which most here know damn well what is was about -- WHO were the people who wrote it) -- What they said about -- Why they did it now -- and what was said during legislative session -- is not an invalid question --

    You consider it loaded, fine. Everyone knows what the intention was - even though you (like Pence did on Sunday) get all afiggedy when asked about it.
    I'm certainly not all afiggedy. And no, not everyone knows what the intention was - there are only those who presume to know - with the exception of those who signed it. They know. Ask them rather than presume. I'm rather a disinterested outside party. I noted what I consider an over the top reaction to this legislation. Perhaps changes are in order, but the reaction by some to the legislation suggests that some gross evil has been incorporated into law, and I simply don't see that at all. I think this reaction betrays problems some have with the first amendment.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thorgasm View Post
    Yet they are bigoted in who they deny their services to.

    You do realize that this "religious freedom" was tried before against black folks because they had the "mark of Cain"? That's why we have public accomodation laws.
    The discrimination against blacks was codified in the law. Discrimination against blacks by a private party or business should be perfectly legal just as discrimination against any person should be

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Objectionable due to the people involved, their sexuality, their relative sexes. That is illegal discrimination based on the people involved in the event, their classification, protected, at least in those states where this issue has seen lawsuits/court cases/claims. The law is clear on this and the courts agree.
    But that's not true. There is no objection to the people involved but to the ACTIVITY those people are engaged in. In this case, marriage. The idea that the state should force me to provide my services to an activity that I deem immoral or objectionable is a violation of my individual liberty. That should be obvious yet it isn't to the totalitarian left. If I am a democrat, should I be compelled by the state to bake a cake for a republican convention? If I oppose legalization of drugs, should I be forced to provide my services to a legalization rally? If I believe abortion is murder, is it right for the state to force me to provide my services to a planned parenthood party? The answer is obvious. Yet liberals value equality over liberty so there is disagreement where there should be none.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

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    The discrimination against blacks was codified in the law. Discrimination against blacks by a private party or business should be perfectly legal just as discrimination against any person should be
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I'm certainly not all afiggedy. And no, not everyone knows what the intention was - there are only those who presume to know - with the exception of those who signed it. They know. Ask them rather than presume. I'm rather a disinterested outside party. I noted what I consider an over the top reaction to this legislation. Perhaps changes are in order, but the reaction by some to the legislation suggests that some gross evil has been incorporated into law, and I simply don't see that at all. I think this reaction betrays problems some have with the first amendment.
    We don't need to ask them because they told us already. I'm sorry you're not aware of it.
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    Well, certainly the customer is not an N-word.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    We don't need to ask them because they told us already. I'm sorry you're not aware of it.
    What did they say?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    The intended use of a wedding cake is to eat it in celebration of a marriage, an objectionable marriage in this case in the eyes of the baker
    Yes. Objectionable because they're gay and the baker doesn't like gay people. It's not about his religion. The baker will sell cakes to women with shaved heads, he will sell cakes to fat people, there's one that happily sold cakes for a pagan solstice celebration, a dog wedding, and a divorce party. These people aren't following their ****ing holy books, they've just found a convenient justification for their hate.
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    Well, certainly the customer is not an N-word.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    What did they say?
    When Pence signed SB 101 in a private ceremony, three people who work for groups that supported the same-sex marriage ban and want to limit civil rights for gays and lesbians were in attendance. One of the lobbyists, Eric Miller of Advance America, heralded the state’s law as protecting Christian bakers, florists and photographers from penalty "for refusing to participate in a homosexual marriage, among other examples." This is a direct reference to high-profile cases of Christian wedding vendors refusing to provide services for gay couples in other states.
    Advance America Blog Archive VICTORY AT THE STATE HOUSE!

    Also, before the bill passed an amendment was offered to clarify this very issue. That amendment was rejected.
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    Well, certainly the customer is not an N-word.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    The discrimination against blacks was codified in the law. Discrimination against blacks by a private party or business should be perfectly legal just as discrimination against any person should be
    ^ Well, there you have it.

    Thought so,

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Advance America Blog Archive VICTORY AT THE STATE HOUSE!

    Also, before the bill passed an amendment was offered to clarify this very issue. That amendment was rejected.
    Precisely what do you find objectionable?

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