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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So now your premise is that despite them being longtime customers, (and gay), only now when a wedding cake was requested did the bakery suddenly decide to discriminate against the couple?

    Thats makes sense.
    You could make that point for some Christian religions. Most congregations would only draw the line, where participation is involved. You probably think that is a fine line and would be right. It is often a close call, but the difference here is quite obvious.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Help? It does push a particular opinion largely based on assumptions of intent - again. The are other opinions to which I would give at least equal weight that don't rely on impugned intentions.
    I figured the time I took to provide that would be wasted.

    What was the intention of pushing this bill through, as it was worded, and when they did it?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Then you need to read more. Its not hard to find. Let me see if I can find you a link. Its pretty simple to see the differences.
    Why don't you show me all the civil rights violations committed in Indiana instead of complaining about something that hasn't happened.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    I figured the time I took to provide that would be wasted.

    What was the intention of pushing this bill through, as it was worded, and when they did it?
    You, like others here, are stuck on intention - something you don't know - something you assume.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, there is little information suggesting that these couples, either of them, had actually frequently purchased products from either shop before. The only confirmed purchase we know of was actually the one lesbian woman (no mention of her identifying herself either directly or indirectly as a lesbian) picked up a cake from the bakery for her mother at least a year prior.

    And no, it was not the "event". The bakery made wedding cakes. It was the sexes/sexual orientations of the people involved in the event that was the problem, that was the reason for the discrimination. That is what makes it illegal, just as much as if the people were refused because they were an interracial couple getting married ("we don't make interracial wedding cakes") or an interfaith couple getting married ("we don't agree with interfaith weddings").
    Looks like the narrative has to change in order to fit the agenda. The truth is winning out here as we're seeing that it was indeed the event that was objectionable, not the persons

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    You, like others here, are stuck on intention - something you don't know - something you assume.
    Well, if you can't answer the question, that tells us something.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not true. The intended use of a cake is to eat it. So what makes a same sex couple eating a cake "dangerous"?

    The person was the problem, or rather the people. The people made wedding cakes. They made cakes to be used to celebrate a commitment between two people, to celebrate marriages. They disapproved of the people involved in this particular marriage. That means it was the people.
    The intended use of a wedding cake is to eat it in celebration of a marriage, an objectionable marriage in this case in the eyes of the baker

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Well, if you can't answer the question, that tells us something.
    I don't feel compelled to answer loaded questions. I haven't had a substantial response to any of mine from those objecting other than references to assumed intentions. Show me the rights violations committed in Indiana and at least offer some substance to your objection to the law passed. Please note that I'm not saying there aren't any. There may well be some significant violation, and I'll change my opinion, but to date I'm not aware of any significant violations that this law would condone.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Blemonds View Post
    The intended use of a wedding cake is to eat it in celebration of a marriage, an objectionable marriage in this case in the eyes of the baker
    As if it were a baker's job to approve of marriages. Do Catholic bakers object to making wedding cakes for people who are getting married for the second, third, fourth, etc. time? Of course not. This selective objection is bigotry.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Indeed.

    TX has a similar bill pending and there's already talk of the NFL 'butting in" and moving the Super Bowl from Houston should the law take effect. Yet just last week the Left was howling about how the NCAA [training ground for the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc], while making billions in profit, was abusing student athletes and taking monies away from Liberal arts programs.

    The NFL.....you don't say. Now there is a corporation of people, huh?

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