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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Acceptance is support. [and it's exactly what they 'claim' to want] But you're right, most are too emotionally involved with the subject to ever change their minds.
    Mornin WCH. Yeah but in all their little touchy emotional rescue and their push to help the LGBT Crowd Be more special than all others.

    The left did manage to now say and show, that Businesses and Corporations are people.....they have been cheering on Angie and Apple who are speaking out. Imagine that Corporations and business speaking out. After all that hoopla about Corporations and Businesses aren't people.

    Did you notice Apple jumped Right in.....taking the bait hook line and sinker.

    Now their lame type asses can explain what they are doing in China and the ME conducting business. Especially with those who have no trouble showing Gays they are special.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    I practice, there is no such law, and if there is a view that they are poor candidates for treatment or procedures, based on factors like history, they can absolutely have services withheld.
    Being simply "an opposite sex couple" vice "a same sex couple", or "heterosexual" rather than "homosexual", is not a factor. If you are referring to other things, such as their personal health history, then you are the one miscontruing things. If you are basing treatment, including giving abortion or birth control drugs to a patient based on either their relative genders or their sexuality, that is illegal. It must be based on other factors to withhold treatment to a patient, any treatment, besides "well they're homosexual/heterosexual" or "they're a same sex couple/opposite sex couple".
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    are there any business that are actually discriminating against gays in Indiana.. or fighting for the right to?

    are there any who discriminate and are planning to move to Indiana?

    I think people in haste to argue that this law is going to make the gay sky fall forgot to check if there is actually a problem afoot.
    personally, I'd wager about 99.99999999999999999% of Indianans would act correct, regardless of this law....I can't fathom that whole state being chock full of anti-gay bigots just chomping at the bit waiting for a "permit" to discriminate.
    Almost certainly there are at least a few businesses in Indiana that would like to deny same sex couples/homosexuals their services, the ability to buy something, even if it is something specific, from them. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been people supporting it for that very reason, such as those three men already identified.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Good news!

    Arkansas has seen how the left and the LameStream has played with this issue and now their Senate just passed an RFRA. Which their Governor says he will sign the Bill. Get it to him Pronto-like.

    That should cause the left to go off on another tangent.....huh?

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Help? It does push a particular opinion largely based on assumptions of intent - again. The are other opinions to which I would give at least equal weight that don't rely on impugned intentions.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin WCH. Yeah but in all their little touchy emotional rescue and their push to help the LGBT Crowd Be more special than all others.

    The left did manage to now say and show, that Businesses and Corporations are people.....they have been cheering on Angie and Apple who are speaking out. Imagine that Corporations and business speaking out. After all that hoopla about Corporations and Businesses aren't people.

    Did you notice Apple jumped Right in.....taking the bait hook line and sinker.

    Now their lame type asses can explain what they are doing in China and the ME conducting business. Especially with those who have no trouble showing Gays they are special.
    Indeed.

    TX has a similar bill pending and there's already talk of the NFL 'butting in" and moving the Super Bowl from Houston should the law take effect. Yet just last week the Left was howling about how the NCAA [training ground for the NFL, NBA, MLB, etc], while making billions in profit, was abusing student athletes and taking monies away from Liberal arts programs.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So now your premise is that despite them being longtime customers, (and gay), only now when a wedding cake was requested did the bakery suddenly decide to discriminate against the couple?

    Thats makes sense.
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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    You could just cut to the chase and say: I support bigots and people who discriminate against people the basis of their race, sex, national origin, religion, etc...
    Or you could just see through your bias and recognize that I support liberty

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No person or particular group is a "protected class". Every person is protected by pretty much every protected classification in laws. You can't discriminate by race, any race. Doesn't matter if someone is trying to deny you service based on you being white, black, Asian, Indian, Native American, or any other race, which means every person is covered. Can't discriminate based on sex. This means that whether you are legally a man or woman, you cannot be denied service. You can't discriminate based on religion (or lack of), which means that no matter your beliefs, you are a "protected class" if someone denies you service based solely on your religious beliefs.
    Pretty much my view of the whole thing. Federally, we are assured that religious considerations, among other things, can be a mitigating factor when considering departures from law. Other such discriminating provisions exist, and I don't believe anything more is required with the exception that the various states should enact similar laws to ensure that such considerations are available within each state, as well. I don't presume to know the motivations of those who might intentionally or inadvertently violate my rights unless it is clearly stated, and I don't go around looking for them as some seem to do for reasons that go far beyond any perceived wrong.

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    Re: Indiana's Pence to sign bill allowing businesses to reject gay customers

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Show that they were forced out of business. The bakers are still running businesses.

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    This one above lost their storefront shop due to loss of business. That is a market force, nothing to do with the government. They could have not faced fines at all, a court case at all, and they would have still been in the same position. You cannot force people to buy from other people.

    I can't actually find any information about what happened to the photographer. She had to pay about $7000 in attorney's fees. That was pretty much it, and agree not to discriminate. The SCOTUS refused to hear her case. I can't find any information about her being "forced" out of business. It is possible that people refused to purchase her services, but once again, are you going to force people to use her rather than another photographer?
    And that is the goal, to force Christians, in particular, out of the marketplace. And the question remains. What is the ultimate consequence if Christians stand on their religious beliefs and refuse to offer services for homosexual weddings?

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